is this some right wing nutter meme in disguise?
But why? It look more like a fascist telling everyone he’s not a fascist but a “concerned citizen” who deeply cares about the “common people”. Everyone knows, he’s a fascist but they like the momentum he gives their party and they fall for the illusion, that he can be controlled once he’s in office.
The post title seems to be satirizing a common argument between factions on the left / centre-left. It can generally apply to various issues (say, universal health care or police reform) but US support for Israel is the current point of contention.
One side is advocating just to make sure Kamala gets the presidency and Trump is defeated, after which point (they say) she can be pressured to ‘move left’ on the subject of Israel, which would mean to enforce an arms embargo on Netanyahu in order to put a halt to the killing in Gaza.
The other side (which is the position being advocated by this meme) are saying no, it doesn’t work like that with Democrats – they profess to be in favor of change and progressive values but once in power, they’ll be under the boot of big money donors and lobbyists in Washington. If you want to pressure on Kamala on Israel (they say) the time to do it is now, while she’s desperate to get elected.
That’s the far right and centre right. There is no left major political party.
But yes electing more progressive government shifts the Overton window and gets us closer to leftism.
At this stage I don’t belabor the point on what is far left/left/center/right/far right because it really depends on where the Overton window currently is in your society and culture.
The frame of reference I used above was specifically from a mainstream US perspective.
Are there any studies on the Overton window and if it’s affects are real or more specifically relevant to leftist ideals?
Everything I’ve found on it indicates it’s a useful tool for shifting the political conversation towards more authoritarian rule but there is nothing in it being used to shift towards progressivism.
Maybe this is just me, but in the past two decades in which I’ve been politically active, and in what I’ve studied of the past, I have never seen anyone ever support a strategy of trying to move already-elected politicians further left.
If anything, the discourse is usually about how presidents look more conservative than they are because conservatives have had control of Congress for all but a few months of the past 40 years.
Biden ended up being further left than I thought he would be, but I don’t remember anyone suggesting pre-election that he could be pushed further left.
There were tons of people on Twitter saying that.
No Democrat candidate has ever been successfully pushed left after being elected.
What a stupid meme.
Why?
- There are two choices in the 2020 election. No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning. No, not even if the 30,000 people you can reach on Lemmy all vote for Timothy Greenparty.
- A Trump victory in 2024 would not only be just as bad if not worse for the citizens of Gaza than Harris would, but also pose an existential threat to a large number of vulnerable Americans (trans people, immigrants, women seeking abortions).
- Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don’t vote for her.
I’d like to focus my counterargument. Which of these three statements do you disagree with?
I think you mean the 2024 election in the first point.
That said, just for my understanding, would Harris alienate a different segment of voters if she went hard against Israel’s genocide? Is her support for Israel out of political compromise or personal conviction?
No third party stands a ghost of a chance of winning.
I live in a blue state, so by that same logic my vote for Harris would be wasted. She’ll win my state whether I vote for her or not, so I might as well vote for a third party. At least that way, I can help the Greens get to that crucial 5% we need for funding.
Given the margins of victory in 2016 and 2020, Kamala might not win if leftists don’t vote for her.
Guess she better focus on winning over leftists, then.
Why do Democrats always act like it’s the voters’ responsibility to get their candidates elected, instead of their candidates’ responsibility to win over voters?
If Harris wants those votes, then she should tell Israel to move to a ceasefire or she’ll enact an arms embargo. Quit giving Israel money! Simple as.
I’ll focus on number 2, a Trump victory would be terrible, but you didn’t say anything about Kamala. The root cause of our issues is capitalism/techo-feudalism, and kicking the stone down the road for 4 years accomplishes nothing. What is Kamala’s plan to bring Socialism to America to keep us from constantly being in this situation?
What does it mean to you?
No, we’ll push the next candidates further left.
The “I want everything my way right now” impulse needs to go die in a dark lonely hole.
It’s extremely childish and they tell themselves how smart they are. The irony is completely lost on them.
The problem is that the 1% have much more pull than the 99%. The 99% are always having to make concessions while the 1% usually get what they want.
As Bernie Sanders said, the 1% are…1%. There aren’t very many of them. The 99% have the numbers. We just need to focus and unite.
If the 99% could’ve united behind Jill Stein in 2016, the COVID crisis would’ve turned out completely differently. We could’ve had a medical doctor in the White House during the worst pandemic we’d had in a century! Instead, Trump and Hillary kept us divided, and…things turned out like they did.
What is up with that bottom-left sheep’s face?
This looks AI generated
Like Trump promises to guard the people.
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