• mipadaitu@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    Polls don’t matter, especially this far out.

    Vote. Put pressure on politicians to do better. But more than anything. Vote.

    If the polls say he’s 100% going to win. Vote. If you’re in a state that goes blue every time for the last 100 years. Vote. If you’re in a state that goes red every time for the last 100 years. Vote.

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      Polls always matter, you just have to understand polls.

      This is with third party options and show Biden up 2% which is probably close to margin of error.

      It doesn’t mean Biden has it in the bag, but it means his chances are improved.

      But Biden risks the same dangers Hillary did in 2016.

      People don’t really want to vote for them, they just don’t want trump. So there’s a risk if Biden is polling too well (I don’t think it will be an issue) people will stay home thinking they don’t need to compromise their morals because trump will lose.

      It’s a dangerous game, and we wouldn’t have to play it if we ran a candidate popular with Dem voters.

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        Don’t vote and help their much worse fascist opponents get elected instead, which will affect the general population, not the wealthy elites. That’ll teach them!

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            You’re correct. But they get fucked much harder one way than the other. It’s all about harm reduction.

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              Harm reduction is a myth, people have been preaching harm reduction for decades and there’s been no reduction in harm. Quite the opposite, poverty has increased. Homelessness is at a rate not seen since the Great depression, income inequality is the highest ever recorded. The most percentage of people living paycheck to paycheck is higher than any other level recorded. There has been no reduction in harm.

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                  Let’s see. The government tells us that poverty is trending down for decades, yet the number of people living paycheck to paycheck has been increasing. The number of renters that cannot afford their rent has been increasing, homelessness is at the largest level ever recorded, but the claim is poverty is decreasing. Have you ever stopped to consider? Maybe they are lying?

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      I’m not going to vote for Biden until he stops funding a genocide. You cannot say put pressure on them and vote for them no matter what. They do not give a fuck what you think if you’re going to automatically vote for them. That’s why the uncommitted votes in the primaries scared them so much.

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          Oh no, you’re only the thousandth person to tell me that. It’s so persuasive. Either I vote for the guy funding a genocide or the Boogeyman gets elected1!!111!!1

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            Yes, that’s the reality of the situation, whether you like it or not. If you don’t care if that happens, fair enough. But don’t try to say that not voting for Biden doesn’t help Trump.

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              I didn’t say that. I said that at this point, months into this debacle, it’s obviously not persuasive to me. I am not willing to sell the lives of Palestinian children to make my life marginally more comfortable.

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                Those children will die regardless of who you vote for or if you don’t vote at all. It’s a horrific tragedy that is completely out of anyone who isn’t in power’s control. So instead of worrying about that, worry about what you CAN control - preventing fascists from gaining more power and making things even worse than they already are.

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    This is a big deal. I’m extremely excited to get a look into these data. This would be an INCREDIBLE thing considering that Biden has been lagging Trump in the polls for over 450 days.

    And whoever tells you polls don’t matter has their head up their ass. Polls do matter, a lot, especially this far out. People aren’t a monolith. People do change their minds and perspectives.

    Apparent viability matters. Even a 2-5% hit in polling to Trump can take him from the range of viable to non-viable.

    And yes, polling is flawed. In 2016 and 2020, the polling massively underestimated support for Trump. We need to keep this in mind when we look at these numbers,.

    Keeping in mind that the trajectory of Bidens polling was into the carpet, pretty much since the inauguration.

    If Biden can shift this towards an upward trend, he’s suddenly back in the game. Thats a sea change. Thats huge.

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      5 months ago

      Polls matter, until the next poll comes out. The only poll with any lasting effect is in November.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    President Joe Biden has overtaken his Republican challenger Donald Trump in three battleground states, according to polls five months before the presidential election.

    In March, the incumbent and the former president won enough primary races to secure, respectively, the Democratic and Republican nominations in the 2024 presidential election.

    Polls have so far shown that the results will be tight as the pair are statistically tied in most surveys, or enjoying only marginal leads.

    However, speaking to Newsweek Todd Landman, a professor of political science at Nottingham University in the U.K., said it was “still too far out from the election” to read much into swing state polls.

    He said: “The race remains highly volatile, and it is still too far out from the election to make any firm conclusion from changing polls across these swing states.”

    “The Hunter Biden proceedings in Delaware are just underway and there is a very long time to go politically, with many unknown events that will have effects on voter preferences and choices at the national and state level,” he said.


    The original article contains 538 words, the summary contains 176 words. Saved 67%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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      “The Hunter Biden proceedings in Delaware are just underway and there is a very long time to go politically, with many unknown events that will have effects on voter preferences and choices at the national and state level,” he said.

      And that has what to do with Joe’s electability?

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      Crazy how, in a country with 255 million (in 2020) citizens of voting age, more people will come out to vote against a wannabe dictator. What could possibly possess people to want to protect their rights, right!? Must be fake.

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        Brah… Trump’s opposition is nearly in comatose. Which rights are threatened by Trump? I’m genuinely concerned.

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    Confirmation bias on full display. Downvote all polls and discredit them if they show trump beating Biden. The other way around and they are credible polls and up voted.

    This is why we see no difference between BlueMAGA and MAGA

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        There are no both sides. It’s one side One is openly racist and bigoted. The other is covertly racist and bigoted. But your blinders prevent you from seeing your own party is racist and bigoted

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          And what’s your suggestion come November. Which of the 4 choices are you going to make? Vote for Biden, Vote for Trump, Not vote, or Vote 3rd party?

          Only one of those 4 choices doesn’t help Trump.

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            But the first two choices help the wealthy and the donor class while fucking over everyone else. We’ll swap out blue fascist for red fascist and get the same results

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      BlueMAGA isn’t a thing.

      Real question: are you Russian? That’s some bad faith / both sides bullshit i’d expect from an operative.

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    Why the fuck is Trump even able to run? He’s literally a fucking criminal, and was impeached. I dont understand how our political system or even judicial systems work at this point.

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      Disclaimer: Fuck Trump.

      That being said, convicted “criminals” should still be able to run for any public office in my opinion. A tyrant CAN capture the judiciary and imprison their political opponents. This is in fact what happened in the Indian elections right now. This is in fact what happened in the US elections in the early 1900s, where a socialist candidate ran for President from prison. What was his crime? Striking when the State had deemed it illegal to do so.

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        In most us states they take your voting right when you are convicted. This is not compatible with running for president as a convict imo.

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          Have you considered that maybe that’s tyranny as well?

          What if, for example, someone decided to make weed a felony because he couldn’t outright make being black illegal?

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              Oh sweet summer child, everyone smokes weed. Cannabis prohibition was about giving police the power to arrest anyone they want to - and they used that power to arrest Black people.

              And if you don’t smoke weed? Well what about this little baggy we “found in your pocket”?

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                I really, really, really hate the phrase “Oh sweet summer child”. Is it possible to be any more patronizing? Couldn’t you just say it normally?

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                  Not that I care about either of you guys or your argument, but I gotta point out that it’s a phrase intended to be insulting and condescending. You’re just letting the other guy know they got to you by writing this.

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    Man, I’d love to be an American right now, they have to choose between a senile old man and a convicted criminal to be their leader. It sounds like it came straight from a comedy skit.

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        You’re forgetting the one with brain fog due to brain worms, who drove his ex wife to suicide, and is an antivaxer.

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          Is that the same one who is a draft dodging little bitch and raped his ex wife so much that the state of NY changes their spousal rape laws?