• nonailsleft@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    Are you saying that (before October?) Hezbollah was ‘regularly’ attacking Israel and Israel would refrain from retaliating? Do you have a source to back this up?

    (Even then, your idea that the side starting such hostilities is the one showing restraint and the one responding is the one escalating is pretty messed up)

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        2 months ago

        Well you said there’s a difference with what they used to do ‘regularly’ in these situations

        So if them now retaliating after Hezbollah attacks is what makes it different, that would suggest you’re implying that they weren’t doing that in the past

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          2 months ago

          The norm is small rocket fires between them close to the border. The difference is now Israel is attacking populated areas and performing assassinations.

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            But the ‘assassination in a populated area’ that you’re referring to was in itself a retaliation for a rocket strike on a populated area (that killed 12 kids)

            By your own logic, wouldn’t that mean it was Hezbollah that started the escalation by targeting those children?

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              2 months ago

              Hezbollah has literally denied involvement in that:

              https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/27/israel-says-10-killed-in-rocket-attack-on-occupied-golan-heights

              I know you’re going to sit there and ask me “Why would you believe them?”. I believe them because they would never be hesitant to admit they hit Israel. Besides, it’s not their style. Just look at the most recent attack, they attacked the military base and avoided civilian areas:

              https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/five-key-takeaways-from-nasrallahs-speech-after-hezbollah-israel-attacks

              Israel on the other hand has shown no hesitation attacking children and civilians and there’s decades of events to point to to prove this statement.

              So my question to you is this: Why are you so intent on dismissing the actions of Israel? You seem to be putting a lot of effort into it.

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                2 months ago

                You believe Hezbollah would gladly claim they killed some kids playing soccer? I guess you also believe that rocket materialized out of thin air right above them

                Which actions of Israel do you think I am dismissing?

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                  2 months ago

                  When has Hezbollah ever been shy about hating and attacking Israel?

                  This entire comment thread is you refusing to see how Israel is escalating the conflict. Instead you choose to intentionally miss how Israel is “pre-emptively” (I’m using this term ironically, don’t believe for a second I believe it to be true) attacking other nations, assassinating key figures and antagonizing their neighbors. Instead you seem intent on buying into the narrative that what Israel is doing is 100% necessary and not antagonistic. You’re putting a lot of effort into not seeing the “blatant misinformation is that everyone sees so clearly” as you put it in your original comment to me. These attacks aren’t necessary or justified, no matter how Israel decides to spin the narrative and have media outlets carry it as if it were the truth. If Hezbollah wanted to go to war they would have. What Israel is doing in Gaza is more than enough reason for anyone to declare war and move in. Don’t believe me? Just ask the ICC.

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                    2 months ago

                    Hezbollah is just as keen as Israel to keep their PR story straight wrt civilian victims.

                    If you don’t ‘for a second’ believe the Israeli strike on Sunday was ‘pre-emptive’, what would you call it? Hezbollah planned a big rocket strike and Israeli jets tried bombing their launch sites half an hour before. As far as strikes go, it doesn’t really get more textbook ‘pre-emptive’ than that.

                    If you believe Israel’s reactions aren’t necessary or justified, how would you suggest they react to Hezbollah firing rockets at them? Should they act like these rockets don’t exist? Do you think that if Israel never struck back, Hezbollah would just get tired of it over time and stop?