• Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    I have a third party candidate named Chase Oliver who isn’t ancient and is on the ballot roll in all 50 states, i suggest everyone check him out (https://www.votechaseoliver.com/). PS just writing him off is giving power to the system that has so little respect for you, it gave you Trump v Biden again.

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      4 months ago

      He has some interesting points, but because of america’s voting system every vote for him is de facto a vote for Trump.

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        Can I ask you why you believe that? I feel that conclusion can only be made with many assumptions, especially as even republicans do not like Trump, they literally just hate Joe more (Seriously Bidenomics is a slur in most of the heartland Ive interacted with).

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          This is my reasoning:

          1. America has first-past-the-post voting
          2. That means the party with the most votes wins it all
          3. The republican (41.7%) and democrat party poll high, nothing comes close (40.4%) (next up is Kennedy at 9.1%) and the last candidate that wasn’t from either party was George Washington (1789 - 1797), therefore a vote for another party is essentially meaningless.
          4. Therefore, either the Republican or Democratic Party win
          5. The candidates for both parties have been determined at this point and are highly unlikely to change unless any of them die, therefore either Trump or Biden wins.
          6. Therefore, all actions come down to 2 things: Increase the chance of Biden winning instead of Trump or don’t

          In my opinion, the only way to avoid each election coming down to damage control is to get rid of FPTP voting.

          EDIT: The last candidate that wasn’t from either party was not George Washington as [email protected] pointed out. It was Millard Fillmore (1850 - 1853).

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            1. re: “last candidate … George Washington”

            I’m not entirely sure what point you’re making, as there have been multiple other parties whose candidates were elected to the presidency, including the Federalists, the Whigs, and the Democratic-Republicans. Theodore Roosevelt received the second-most votes in the 1912 election as a third-party candidate for the Progressive (Bull Moose) party.

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        I don’t live in a swing state. Connecticut has been reliably won, by a wide margin, by the same party for over 40 years. Voting for Oliver and maybe helping him get enough of the popular vote to be taken seriously in 28 is the only way my vote will matter at all. Take your idiotic generalizations back to reddit.

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      Good idea, if we trick half the Trump voters into voting for him, Trump and this guy will both only get 25% of the vote, and Biden will win easily