I find that title to be wholly innaccurate.
There were also women on the force, so it was 376 boys and girls in blue sat around and let 19 kids and 2 teachers die.
Well, 375. There was that one asshole who shouted “Do you need our help?” to which a hiding child responded “Yes we need help!” and was subsequently shot by the gunman
That person actively caused a child to die.
Don’t forget the one cop that wanted to help but was held back and prevented from entering (I think his wife was a teacher or something)
Oh, and that other cop who was going to try to open the unlocked classroom door but was then told to go patrol the rest of the school
The only reason they even started evacuating was because one of them opened a classroom and saw it was full
A: Marvel saw fit to publish a comic book in which Frank Castle tells cops to stop using his logo. B: now that the guy with a Punisher lock screen has experienced loss, he may step up his war-on-crime game.
You couldn’t have picked a worse, cop apologist article to quote from.
Ah yeah, that guy.
He should’ve disobeyed orders and gone in and saved them.
Their pronouns are cop/cops (or pig/pigs), so their gender should be irrelevant in this case.
Also that one guy was busy drinking water from the fountain
“do you need help?”
“Nah we’re good, call back next week maybe”
What kind of idiotic ass fucking question was that?
376 armed cowards keeping a bunch of parents from rescuing their kids… and what changed? nuthin.
so gross
Nothing changed because Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there. After that tragedy. There should be no more question that it’s a cult.
Uvalde immediately re-elected the same republiQan slate that put them there
Sadly, the kids weren’t allowed to vote. Mature enough to get shot at. Not mature enough to select the police who stand idle while it happens.
Not yet, so the clock is ticking for Republicans to make government of the people, for the people, by the people perish from the earth.
If it helped, they then tried to sue/harass the families after being called out.
Wait that didn’t actually help at all
Holy shit, I thought it was double digits. How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?
How did they get 376 to show up without any of them roid raging their way into doing something other than dicking around?
Some of them tried and were actively prevented from doing it by other Officers. The whole situation is actually worse than most people realize.
There’s no way that’d ever be justifiable, but what’s their excuse?
Probably something about free school lunches or litter boxes.
The fucking litter boxes. Was that meme planted so we could identify which of our friends and neighbors went off the deep end?
It seriously stresses me out how many people in my community have taken that seriously. In my own family, even. It is indeed one of the many possible indications of someone to whom I don’t want to give my time.
Nooooo my cousin’s friend in Memphis told her it was true!
From one report, they didn’t know who was in charge because there were State and local units. So they did nothing while some in charge waited to hear who should be giving the orders. At least that’s how I remember it.
Sounds to me like the shooter was in charge.
Right because that can all be excused away with “policy issues” that leave nobody actually accountable and spits in the face of common sense. “I didn’t try to take down the shooter because I didn’t have anyone to tell me that’s why we were there in the first place”
It would have made the coward cops look bad
Because it’s a group of narcissists. They were too worried about themselves. None of them had the courage to say “I’m willing to not go home tonight so these kids can.”
Actually I’d bet that a bunch said that, but didn’t actually do anything about it.
This is what pisses me off the most. 376, and you can’t storm the room? 376? And you refuse to trade one for any of those children who needed protecting? These are supposedly the hard calculations they have to make and they all unilaterally chose themselves? Enforcers will always be useless to anybody but the property owners. They aren’t actually here to protect anybody. They should have made the call, and traded 20 of themselves so those kids didn’t have to die. Thats the hard call we expect these “hard asses” to make.
I can’t remember the study but basically the bystander effect is a thing. The more people there are in a group, the more likely it is that no one will do anything because everyone will assume that someone else will do something.
This isn’t to excuse officers because they are specifically trained that they are that someone. The fact that they were held back from entering is willful, malicious, and negligent.
The fact that the officers actually complied instead of disobeying orders especially when seconds turned to minutes, is cowardice.
And a reminder that I believe the police chief and mayor of the town was reelected by the town.
They analyzed the trolley problem, they chose to sacrifice the few for the many.
A coward is not the same thing as a narcissist.
One can be both, however.
Non-peaceful demonstrators
I scoff every time a cop on a TV show is like “I joined the force to save lives and make a difference” because it’s painfully obvious that this is pretty much never the case in reality.
They joined the force because it has the best job security next to CEOs in the US.
I feel like CEOs are more like football coaches in terms of job security. As long as they keep winning, just about no form of misconduct can dislodge them. Stop winning though, and the hot seat can become very uncomfortable.
But they make so much money and get huge golden parachutes so they have more money than they would need for the rest of their lives, and yet they still are able to get other CEO jobs. It’s a little club and once you’re in, you’re in.
And because they weren’t too smart, as per the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
They didn’t specify “which lives” or “what differences”. We can make some guesses, but I don’t think we’d like their answers.
Too bad the shooter wasn’t black. The cops weren’t trained for this.
This is a cop problem, not a gun problem. All the guns were working, including the shooter’s. The cops saw fit to take their lunch hour instead of working.
Just saw a video. Hahaha, I’m gonna stop being capitalist cattle and switch to crime.
If your Mafia family is organized as a worker co-op, is it praxis?
But I’m not Italian!
Why not?
They won’t let me be Italian.
Uvalde is majority-minority. If cops went in, more kids probably would’ve died.
That’s tongue-in-cheek gallows humor but sadly not too far off from reality.
I don’t really get what you’re saying.
That most people there are minorities, and cops don’t do well around them.
I’m not sure any of them are more interested in being crucified than shot.
I get what you’re alluding to, but actually the cops yelled out that they were there and for any children hiding to come out (obviously well before they’d neutralized the shooter) and the kids who responded and came out of their hiding places were shot dead because the cops were too cowardly (or busy checking their Facebook feed based on video evidence) to actually protect these innocent 5-10 year olds. I have a child in that age range and my blood starts boiling even discussing this topic.
Let us not forget that these wannabe police even arrested parents who were willing to rush into danger to protect their children. That’s all they were good for on this day.
The guy that was checking his phone…his wife was one of the teachers in the school that died.
I think if anything, that cop deserves a little slack.
If we’re playing “what if”, my made up story is that they rushed in with 300 cops and nobody died.
But the reality is they did NOTHING.
I recall a conservative news segment where the “jounalist” and “expert” had discussed that the kids should have rushed the shooter and overwhelmed him. Doesn’t matter they were 6-7 they should have stepped up and stopped it all.
Meanwhile, the actual people gained to do that wouldn’t, despite overwhelming numbers
“Hey kid, it’s up to you to stop another acute manifestation of the US’ problem with guns”
Here in Denmark a crazed man attacked the Fields shopping center with a couple of hunting rifles. The first time something like this happened in a very long time.
Danish armed police had a quick response time. Loads of dudes with in full body armour and MP-5s guarding every main exit while other guys went inside to clear out the civilians and hunt the shooter down.
The sniper equipped helicopter circling the shopping center spotted the shooter coming out of a service door and he subsequently got caught.
I think in total only 5 people died, which was from the short period when the guy started shooting.
All the right wing gun addicts from America were chest thumping and table banging, shouting all over social media that this somehow was an example that gun laws don’t work. However, considering this happened within a short period after the school shooting in America, all it truly did was make American police look like a bad joke.
It’s exactly because our police are a cult that we need armed citizens.
Yup. That’s why you never see public police brutality in the US. Couldn’t get away with that with all the armed citizens around.
Oh wait, you just film it and post in on tiktok instead.
Guess the guns are just for looking cool in walmart and shooting kids at schools afterall.
Or maybe that’s a good indicator that people aren’t inclined to pull out their guns when they don’t know the whole story ya fuckin genius.
Its not. No one needs armed citizen. All it leads to are the hundreds of shootings in your country. You need trained police and strict gun laws. Get rid of privately owned guns and the cops wont be scared everyone has a gun somewhere.
Yeah, it seems to me it’s vicious circle. The American cops are super trigger happy because they think everyone has a gun which makes people trust the police less which makes the police more twitchy…
The lack of training and accountability is a major thing too thought. I’m not discounting that.
What about countries that do have strict gun laws and only relatively recently started having shootings? What changed between then and now across the West?
Which countries are those? Countries with strict gun laws have less gun violence.
And yet gun violence is growing across Europe despite few if any changes to gun law.
No, it isn’t. Gun violence is down a cross Europe except for in Sweden: https://www.idunn.no/doi/10.18261/njc.25.1.4
Go train the police then. Let me know if they listen to you. Let me know if it goes fairly. Afterwards face reality. This isn’t Europe. We already have a police force cult and nobody is stopping them without force. Maybe you’d be right if you were starting a brand new country somewhere without displacing any natives and kept a strong border to stop smugglers.
The perfect recipe for lots of unnecessary violence.
“unnecessary”
Necessary violence. You think they’re just gonna pack up and leave with an “oh right we’re the bad guys. I can totally see that now.”?
Of course, the only solution then is escalation. You can make it, all it costs is are a few good people. Right?
Cults are small. The police are much more dangerous than a cult. Don’t be afraid to use harsher terms against them, they’re a religion!
Eyyy
Denmark had to exercise sovereign and military rights to put down hunting rifles in an area about the size of Maryland (really a mall in Maryland).
God help them if they have to deal with AR-15s in Romania. They are doing fantastic at that; not.
That’s the US. It’s a slightly more unified EU and covers most of a continent. We’ve just agreed not to kill each other, sometimes.
Europe likes to shit on us, but we are dealing with generations of their cast offs over the space of a continent. And still doing better half the time. The other half we are trying to figure out how to implement policies without provoking opposition.
Edit: Europe’s failure to realize that their near east gun problem is the USs gun problem on steroids will come back to haunt them in the next few decades. Ulvalde was and is a failure by cowardly law enforcement. The Ulvade Police Department are cowards and crime in the region likely wont be enforced without national deployment.
Romania, the country that’s not even shengen yet (meaning you can’t cross the border without being checked by customs, EXACTLY BECAUSE it’s fucked)? Lol, you really showed Denmark xD
Also saying America is doing “better” at combating crime is only true if you want to compare yourself to war torn counties. The US has a comparable amount of people in prison to China. COMPARABLE to a country where you get arrested for looking the wrong way. Yes, China has more prisoners, but it also has 4 times the population! America is failing spectacularly at keeping its monopoly of violence as a state. When a civilian shooting happens in the rest of the 1st and 2nd world it’s a tragedy that shakes the country, meanwhile in America half the population feels nothing, because it happens so often.
You’re right I should pick on the far right inbred country of Europe, France.
Yeah, because america has no far right problem. Oh wait. Your fascists have been an inspiration for our fascists. America is a failed state and people like you want to keep it that way.
European right is still left of the US.
Europe likes to shit on the US because of people like you making excuses and letting problems in America continue being problems.
More like it’s yet more proof that you cannot rely on the police to protect you.
Yeah none of those guns were actually “in the school” because thin blue line means
copscowards above anyone else. They won’t risk their lives for you.That should be obvious based on the fact that they only respond to crimes that have already occurred. By their own nature, they’re completely reactionary.
*Shot
Tased only applies if there is a camera on you and you are white.
It’s referencing parents who wanted to go in themselves to save their own children. I can’t imagine how horrifying it must b to be stopped by police. Police are the worst
I am aware. Ulvade was police playing nice with the public while being cowards. ACAB has a wider remit.
Uvalde was the police knowing full fucking well how dangerous assault rifles, and guns in general are. They noped the fuck out when children were being murdered, because they were afraid.
Tbf then there’s other people, like that one dude in France that went in and singlehandedly killed like 8 terrorists with hostages with guns with but a mere AR of his own. Or the church in texas, where the paritioner took a 45yd shot with his glock on a guy armed with a shotgun.
In reality, who has the bigger gun matters much less than who can get shots on target quicker. These cops can hide behind the “well he had a scary rifle” all they want to, we all know it’s simply their cowardice and failure to act accordingly and follow their own procedures (which they had recently trained on and utterly ignored when push came to shove.)
Those are outlying cases where luck was on the “Good Guy’s” side.
Fortunately that isn’t the case, those were just the few I mentioned. A bigger gun is not body armor.
Thin blue line outside the school
More like thin yellow line
Did they still not burn down that police station?
No, they reelected the sheriff of course.
Please tell me you’re joking!
Want to?
How many of those cops are still employed, I wonder…
How many of them are being paid to police schools.
Unironically, if we had 376 armed drag queens and furries instead, not nearly as many children would have died.
Okay setting aside whether there should be guns in schools, this argument doesn’t make sense. There were, in fact, good guys with guns on the scene. The police prevented them from intervening.
As they should. You don’t want to add random gun owners adding chaos to such a scene.
But this could have been prevented by police actually doing the job they were paid for. If they had taken care of the shooter like they should have, the question of other people wanting to enter to do the police’ job would never have arisen.
Apparently guns don’t fix the fact that you’re basically a fucking coward.
I prefer LARPers with guns, myself. Coward is too good for these roleplayers who couldn’t be bothered to use their 6-weeks of training in how to beat black citizens and plant evidence, to take out an active shooter in an elementary school.
We are a people with sociopaths in positions of power, with a license to kill, who feel no empathy toward others enough to ask why they weren’t acting to save these kids and teachers. Then to hear that parents were threatened with arrest (maybe actually arrested the mother who jumped a fence and managed to save her son when the cops would do nothing) if they tried to enter and do anything to help those inside.
As a new parent to a kid that will be 5 this year, this shit is my nightmare. When the footage came out showing those scummy wannabes standing around hearing round after round of shots, knowing they were coming from classrooms of children and teachers, who likely were dying with every pop, made me so angry I was practically shaking and weeping. I’ve never felt that much utter contempt for police in my life. They’d have had to shoot me to keep me out of that school. I can’t imagine a more dystopian world than one where the parents were threatened while a gunman mowed down their children for over an hour.
I’m so sorry for the families. They had to bury their children or loved one and live with the image of indifferent cops standing around in the school doing nothing. I would be left wondering which order my kid was shot and could they have been saved with the initial responding officers, or any other fucking one of the 300 and something on scene, doing their job, regardless of who the fuck was in charge. I guess at training these cops all skipped the class about active shooters are bad and can be legally shot.
Not to pick any side in a world conflict, or make anything about this post anymore political, but this is why I have a hard time knowing about the civilian and children lost in Gaza. How the losses make up a disproportionally high number of women and children. I don’t give a flying fuck the color of a child’s skin or what religion their parents practice, THEY ARE FUCKING CHILDREN, FOR FUCKS SAKE!!
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