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    4 months ago

    I’m certain that tourists dozing off will find themselves on the wrong side of this law, right?

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    4 months ago

    I don’t understand how it is that you can be this full of hate and so utterly devoid of compassion and empathy.

    • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      NIMBYism is the primary factor that obstructs the erection of low-income housing across California which is why our rate of homeless is considerably higher than the rest of the nation.

      We actually have to practice and choose to recognize other Americans (or even non Americans) as fellow community members worthy of regard, otherwise it’s easy to just acknowledge your own parish and to Hell with the rest of the species. But then we don’t really have a valid society when we disregard the least of us.

      Curiously, in Christianity, this was the real crime of Sodom and Gomorrah, failing to acommodate the destitute and the stranger and feed the hungry. The outrage about the Lot’s guests (and the desire to assault them) was only a symptom of the general sentiment in Sodom, a distrust of strangers even though they were flush with wealth and could be hospitable.

      Not that I think firebombing them like the RAF Bomber Command over Hamburg was an appropriate solution.

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    Attempting to fine homeless people for not having a place to live was already laughably ignorant, but now you’re extending it to everyone and everything? DON’T YOU DARE FUCKING DOZE OFF AT THE BUS STOP OR ELSE.

    (edit: I had trouble finding actual information in the articles, so I’m basing this reply solely off the title.)

    • Under HB 1365:

      Individuals who are homeless are prohibited from camping on city streets, sidewalks, and parks—and are instead placed in temporary shelters monitored by law enforcement agencies.

      The state of Florida has the enforcement tools needed to ensure local governments comply.

      Homeless shelters will require occupants to not use drugs.

      These shelters will also include substance abuse and mental health treatments.

      So the legislation is targeted at the homeless, but to make it fair, the general wording is for anyone.

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        Ah perfect, rules that are inherently up to interpretation and selectively enforced.

    • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      This issue actually has come up in arguments from other counties. Can an astronomer take a nap while waiting for dusk at their observation site? Can someone doze while sunbathing on the beach? These laws are typically created to specifically be enforced on people who are obviously unhomed (e.g. less kempt, has all their stuff nearby.) So yes, it’s a way to deal with regional homelessness by NIMBYing it away to other places.

      But it also takes the onus off the county for assuring there is housing for the 80%-ish of us who hover just above scarcity income, including those of us who need to work three jobs to eek out a living. This clears the way for a district to invest in gentrification so that it’s a fancy place for affluent people (because most counties want to be that, and not place where poor communities are left). This is government failure at the county level.

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    Looking at this idiocy from a purely practical perspective, surely housing the homeless by sending them to prison is not the most economical solution. I suppose it probably means someone’s brother-in-law gets to build more for-profit prisons though.

    • Fair criticism, but the bill will also make camping illegal as well as put a tremendous logistical burden on local municipalities all while offering zero funding.

      Under HB 1365:

      Individuals who are homeless are prohibited from camping on city streets, sidewalks, and parks—and are instead placed in temporary shelters monitored by law enforcement agencies.

      The state of Florida has the enforcement tools needed to ensure local governments comply.

      Homeless shelters will require occupants to not use drugs.

      These shelters will also include substance abuse and mental health treatments.