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Because of prevailing attitudes and upbringing, a statistically significant portion of those cops come from the same pool that generates the white nationalists.
Those cops rise in the ranks to be the people in charge of the police force, where they have command over which protests get dealt with harshly and which don’t.
Because of the perceived nature of a cops authority simply because they carry a badge and a gun, the people who most want to become cops are the very people that should psychologically never be allowed to become one.
There’s also the fact that liberal protests don’t tend to be armed, (sort of goes hand-in-hand with liberals hating guns,) but white supremacist protests tend to be heavily armed. People noticed during the civil rights era that unarmed protests got violently busted; Cops had no qualms about firing into unarmed crowds to get them to disperse.
But heavily armed protests were politely watched from across the street. Because if you fire into an armed crowd, you may take out two or three protestors but then the entire rest of the protest can return fire.
This is exactly why the Black Panthers got started. People recognized that armed protests were allowed to continue, so they began arming protestors.
Anyone keen enough to be a police officer/politician/CEO should on no account be given the job.
How could police bully people at the white supremacist demonstration? Aren’t they all too busy marching?
Having to switch costumes would be such a pain in the ass for them.
Not every protest is met with direct force. There’s plenty that are dismantled from the inside using tactics developed in the sixties to divide and weaken idealogical movements! Shit literally documented in intelligence agency standard procedure documents for dealing with large scale idealogical movements and breaking them apart.
Then you just sprinkle some direct force here and there as a treat!
Occupy Wallstreet was poisoned in its crib through infiltration by external forces causing confusion, internal disent, and loss of direction. That is the one “conspiracy theory” I don’t think I will ever be able to let go of.
Intersectionality and identity politics were long overdue, but there’s no way in hell that their rise from the ashes of OWS was a coincidence. Give the socially concious public something else to latch onto for a while so the 1% can shore up their defenses and power structure while the people at the bottom squabble over very important but far less impactful things.
As important as everything else is, the largest determinant of life outcome is money, almost entirely overlooked in most discussions about gender and race.
It’s disheartening to see America using tactics against its own people to create division and steer us into becoming more like slave workers. The legacy of those intelligence agency methods is still evident today. Occupy Wall Street’s downfall due to infiltration and internal dissent is a prime example. The rise of intersectionality and identity politics, while important, has also diverted attention from the economic issues that affect everyone. It feels like the tree of liberty is withering away as the 1% continues to strengthen their hold.
I don’t see how intersectionality diverts attention from economic issues given that it recognizes how different issues, including economic ones, are connected.
Because instead of focusing on the 0.1% who are exploiting everyone, attention is being directed towards other issues that, while important, could be addressed later.
It should also be pointed out that modern protest movements aren’t particularly tactical. In fact, these people largely suck at it.
You all know how much this country hates homeless and homeless-adjacent people, and yet, you opt to camp out in public areas anyway.
Here’s a darn good article on why your protests fail: https://www.americanpurpose.com/articles/caring-isnt-enough/
There has also been a tendency for progressive protest movements to get extremely derailed by bad-faith actors subverting the plans, messaging and outcome of the events, seeding bad messages or inciting violence.
While this isn’t necessarily the fault of the protestors, the groups have been terrible about focusing on message and enforcing guidelines for how to safely protest and stay on message, so it’s really hard to separate out these saboteurs and point to them as the problem-starters.
I have said for a long time that the left needs better community organization and better leaders, not just in action movements and marches, but generally on a community level, there are a lot of people committing the same sin as the right, which is attaching to the progressive cause for the performative expression and storyline narrative only, and getting lost in the conflict not the message and goal. Performative progressivism is going to be the thing that sinks movements every time because it’s so easy to poke holes in the half-ass campaigns and the people involved don’t really care enough to push back in an intelligent way, as long as they have their in-groups to retreat to and feel validated and comforted by their community.
Agreed. A lot of these non-violent protests get infiltrated by cops posing as demonstrators. They’re called “agents provocateurs” and they work to undermine and discredit the group’s goals.
They’re fairly easy to spot because they’re always agitating for violence and nobody in the protest seems to know who they are or can remember exactly when they joined your group.
there are a lot of people committing the same sin as the right, which is attaching to the progressive cause for the performative expression and storyline narrative only
Nailed it.
This started to inspire me to organize a protest and not a social media stunt. I’m behind the idea of a “revolution” but knowing the fundamentals of protesting is honestly eye opening. We can’t just “fight back” blindly, we need to think, we need to plan, and we need to execute our demands.
Yup.
Article is sort of right but also seems aimed at discouraging people. Generally seems to be the goal that site, to promote a center right agenda.
Modern protest have little cohesion because Americans have little cohesion. It has no leaders bc any leaders are swept off to jail. It’s a big part of why things suck so much. That article is missing any analysis of why. It’s frankly anti protest propaganda and so are you.
It’s frankly anti protest propaganda and so are you.
It’s actually quite analytical, and gives you several examples as to why prior protest movements were successful. It suggests that maybe modern movements could learn a few lessons if they read their history books.
But you probably didn’t read it anyway.
The point of protest is to upset status quo, as a demonstration for attention to grievances.
To imply that you’re doing it wrong is some next generation privilege shit.
What??
Conversely, when’s the last time a peaceful protest actually worked
Before COINTELPRO became MO
Ok but this screenshot is clearly not from Tumblr
You are in a bubble. A neo nazi march was banned two weeks ago in France before being allowed again by the judicial system. The exact same scenario has been repeating for pro-palestine protests.
At least in France, the scenario seems to be that the government wants to ban any controversial march and is being kept under control by the justice system.
Extremely unfun fact: before even the Jews, they came for LGBTQ+ people. The first major Nazi book burning was at the Institute For Sexuality which, apart from being a research institute dealing with all sorts of “nonstandard” sexuality in a scholarly rather than punitive manner, was also the world’s first trans clinic.
The reason it’s not mentioned is that Pastor Niemöller, being a conservative pastor, didn’t see anything wrong with the persecution and erasure of LGBTQ+ people.
One of the reasons it’s important to remember that the LGBTQ+ community were the first targets of concerted Nazi erasure even though they were far from the first targets of nazi hatred and slander is that the GOP are doing the same thing and they’ll go through the rest of the list too if they aren’t stopped.
Worth mentioning that Magnus Hirschfeld (guy who ran the Institute For Sexuality) was Jewish, and that is a big part of the reason why his institute was attacked. According to Nazi propaganda, his institute (and queerness in general) was a Jewish plot to weaken the white race.
Which goes to show, fascist propaganda hasn’t changed all that much since then!
Also important to remember when people are talking about queer identities being a “new trend” or whatever
It’s not
We just got erased from history
This is also why people think being trans is a “new” thing. The Institute For Sexuality was the first and only place performing research and on trans people and offering gender affirming care. When the Nazi book burnings happened, they burned the entirety of the world’s research on trans people.
Some LGBTQ+ people even vote for conservatives, as too do black, disabled, women, other non-white “minorities” (
I put in quotes b/c white people are actually the minority in the USA now, but on the other hand that fact doesn’t seem to matter one bit to those who use that term the most…Edit: sorry I misremembered, it is only the under-18 crowd where that is true for now).And these people are shocked, Shocked I tell you, SHOCKED when the conservative party eventually turns on them. I know, shocking, right?
They don’t understand that the result of pyramid-thinking is by its very nature exclusive rather than inclusive (Innuendo Studios video “There’s Always a Bigger Fish” + Endnote video “The Origins of Conservatism”). They haven’t been excluded from it - YET! - but they will, it is only a matter of time. It’s karma. What is done - and allowed to be done - to others, can easily be done to YOU.
Ironically, Jesus Himself said “Treat others as you would wish they would do for you, in fact, even better than that - and nobody gets excluded from that”. Also the Bible says a bunch of other stuff - the worker deserves their wages, live & let live, and so, so much else that just flat gets ignored by the people using it as a club to beat someone with.
71% of the US population is white.
Okay yeah I misremembered my terms - whiteness is on its way out, and in fact the under-18 crowd has white as a minority already, though I forgot for a moment that the rest of the age groups won’t catch up until the next decade or two as the Boomers and such die off. White people tend to have fewer children than non-white people, so that’s just how that works.
More important is the fact that conservative voters are in the minority, and have been for a long time. While not precisely the same thing, it is somewhat related.
Trumps inner circle is half Jewish. It’s hard to take your concerns seriusoly when this overblown.
Just because some fascists are Jewish doesn’t mean that many fascists, Trump himself included, can’t be antisemitic.
Even if he wasn’t, that wouldn’t negate any of the other warning signs about the GOP, remade into a fascist party in his image. And no, that’s not hyperbole either. The GOP and its adherents literally embody all 14 common features of fascism.
This is exactly what I’m talking about. There’s not a sitting head of government or majority leader that doesn’t check those boxes. Biden does it easily. Trumps not antisemitic, he’s a NY property developer been surrounded by Jews his whole life, and literally an Israel supporter.
Ok, it’s clear that you’re either too deranged or too dishonest to be worth any more time and effort trying to explain how ridiculously wrong you are, so I’m gonna stop that now. Have the day you deserve.
NAZIS FOR ISRAEL! JEWS FOR JESUS! RACIST AGAINST RELATIONS! (You. That’s what you sound like)
🥱🤫
We have a low tier propagandist in Russia who tweaked the last paragraph:
“And then they stopped coming. Because everything became normal.”
Jokes aside, last week he got accused of committing some kind of crime. Waiting for him to be jailed and the joke to be finished.
Russia seems like a country where Authoritarianism has “won”, and now the USA looks like it wants to join in on that “fun”. :-|
and now the USA looks like it wants to join in on that “fun”.
The US joined that club before the ink on the constitution had dried. It has never left.
Okay so now the USA looks like it wants to join in more on that "fun"😄
Not really… the white middle class in the US is coming down from their cozy New Deal high and realizing all the “soft power” was literally just empty propaganda. There is a good reason why the US has inspired some of the most evil events of the modern era - Putin cannot hold a candle to that.
The white supremacists usually have a large number of firearms and actively use the second amendment. When aplied at other protests (see earty capital hill occupations) a similar response happens with police being more stand offish and refusing to take ground until absolutely necessary.
That’s because many of them are off-duty cops. And why would you arrest your friends?
The white supremacists usually have a large number of firearms and actively use the second amendment.
Seems like the perfect situation for a hyper-militarized police force to me.
(Not to say I think the government should deploy a proto-military force against protests, but like, if they’re doing it anyway…)
You’re right, but in most situations any casualties are unacceptable. The police will minimize their presence if they believe the people protesting have the conviction to use firearms against them. This is ehy the second amendment is so important, as defense for every other amendment against the corrupt and tyrannical.
I’m not American, but from my perspective, the modern interpretation of your second amendment seems to cause way more oppression than it relieves in practice.
Also, if there is a group of people with the “conviction” to kill other people with lethal force, that would be exactly where police should be getting involved.
Getting a bit off-topic, but since you brought it up I’d be remiss not to respond.
Your thinking is sonewhat correct. A group with firearms and the heart to use them would be a threat if the first response is to shoot. In most cases however the protest attempts to remain peaceful. Also, in many cases, only a small percentage have that conviction, but that small amount scares the police enough to keep them back.
Seems like the perfect situation for a hyper-militarized police force to me.
So you want more fascism?
I think anyone with a working brain has figured out that the police has a side, at least in Brazil. I mean, every time there were demonstrations and walks asking for a fucking military coup and a new military dictatorship, the police would smile and pose for all sorts of photos with the participants.
Before the rabble invaded and broke into the buildings at the Plaza of Three Powers in January 8, 2023, it was like the police was escorting a group of friends. In some of the videos, the rabble would yell “We’re on your side!” to the police who finally had to fight them. Of course, the majority of police still identifies with those fucking bozonazis.
I think anyone with a working brain has figured out that the police has a side,
May have something to do with the fact that the institution of police was designed from the ground up to be a fascist one.
I haven’t tried to prove or disprove this statement, but it could easily be selection bias. If you’re in a bubble, you’re going to be very aware of violence done to people you sympathize with, and less aware of violence done to people you don’t.
I haven’t tried to prove or disprove this statement
Maybe do that before you form an opinion, and especially before you broadcast that opinion
Why should I? I’m having a conversation, not writing a paper.
Could be. Or it could be that you already knew your hypothetical isn’t true, so you’re deliberately concern trolling and sealioning.
Could be. Or you could be accusing me of bad faith because it feels nice and requires no effort.
In what bubble…the national stage?
Well just keep voting blue and hope things will change in 50 years
