• A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
    37·
    6 months ago

    took me to long to realize they were talking about franchise rebooting

    and not ReBoot the groundbreaking computer animated series from 1994

    • Stern@lemmy.world
      10·
      6 months ago

      When I first heard that I was like… why? The “live” action Lion King got dogshit reviews and continuoisly clowned on.

      Then I found out it made 1.5 billion on a ~250 million budget and understood.

      Fuck the mouse tho

      • NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world
        8·
        6 months ago

        One important note about the mouse shitting out live action remakes, they want to hold the copyright for as long as possible.

        They don’t care if Aladdin with Will Smith only makes a 10% return (Hollywood accounting), because they’ve renewed their claim on the IP and merchandising the blue corpse of Robin Williams Genie far exceeds any film profits. They make more than $5 billion per year just on licensing fees.

          • NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world
            21·
            6 months ago

            Winnie the Pooh isn’t an original Disney IP either. Yet if you put Pooh in a recognizably Disney style Pooh costume they’ll sue you. You can sell merch of shirtless Pooh all you like.

            It’s still protecting the Disney version of the IP. It’s why the live action remakes still share a visual language with the animated originals.

            You can make an Aladdin movie if you like. But god help you if there is a Blue Genie with characteristics recognizable to an objective observer as being similar to Genie®.

            Steamboat Willie is public domain, but Mickey Mouse® is not.

            That doesn’t mean Steamboat Willie is fair game either, Disney can still argue it’s a trademark, and likely will, since they’ve made it the new intro clip to every Disney IP.

            Here’s an writeup covering it in more depth, from The Carey School of Business at Johns Hopkins:

            https://carey.jhu.edu/articles/mickey-public-domain-copyright-holders

  • RealFunAtParties@lemmy.world
    12·
    6 months ago

    I feel like this is more true the better a given thing is. The better the original, the slimmer the chance there is that the remake will top it.

      • djsoren19@yiffit.net
        5·
        6 months ago

        This is the thing that kills me most, especially when it comes to video game remakes. I don’t want to go back and replay a good game from my childhood with slightly better graphics. I want to go back to a game that I loved, which had a ton of flaws and weird issues, and see it get the final release it deserves. So far the closest we’ve come to that has been Dragon’s Dogma 2, but I’d kill for something like an Arcanum remake, or the original Vampire: The Masquerade game, or Timesplitters.

        I think the issue is that suits see art as a product to sell and get rid of, whereas creatives see a process that could use 2-3 more iterations. In our minds, it makes more sense to go back, give it a few more iterations, but suits just call it a profit failure and move on.

    • Dagwood222@lemm.ee
      4·
      6 months ago

      Look at Batman. 85 years of reboots and there’s still life in the old boy yet.

      I didn’t think they could top Batman-The Animated Series, and then Nolan and Heath Ledger [RIP] prove me wrong.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
    3·
    6 months ago

    The weird thing about the live action Last Airbender is that it felt like an abridged cartoon Airbender. If you hadn’t watched the original, so much would just fly straight over your head.

    Like, at that point, why even do the original story? Just make an actual sequel / spin-off / whatever. There’s tons of additional Avatar material in comic books they’ve been putting out since… what? 2011?

    Same thing with Star Wars. LucasArts and Disney churned out crap for so long. The stubborn refusal to license the Timmothy Zhan novels and make them into a show/movie is baffling.

  • stembolts@programming.dev
    42·
    6 months ago

    Edit, I realized there is some confusion about which adaptation I’m discussing. The Netflix one from this year, not the movie, I never saw that. M Night Shamalamadingdong’s reputation preceded him and I passed on that version.

    Remainder of post left unedited below.

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    Since they mentioned Avatar… rant initiate!

    I thoroughly enjoyed ATLA Live Action. .

    My dumbass went to Reddit, saw a bunch of people calling it trash and was like, “Aw man, that’s easily my favorite Nickelodeon show… and one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. Oh well, guess I can’t watch the live action.”

    Then one night I got extremely high and questioned why I hadn’t even bothered to see how bad it was. So I put it on. Thirty minutes later I’m like, “Man, it’s gonna be so awful when all the stuff Reddit said was bad happens.” But it never did. The whole show was amazing…The casting was uncanny, the actors talented at capturing their characters. Some of the action scenes rival the cartoon. I can’t wait for seasons two and three, the season one arch was great, in season two we finally get Toph!

    Relying on reviews from forums is something I really gotta stop doing.

    • Skua@kbin.social
      8·
      6 months ago

      I’m a bit confused about what it’s for. Are they intending on expanding anything from the original series? If not, what does it offer over the original?

      To be clear here I’m not saying it’s bad. I have no idea. I haven’t watched it and don’t care all that much for the original either (which, to clarify again, does not mean I think the original is bad, it was just never special to me personally). I just don’t understand the intention.

      • Baggie@lemmy.zip
        5·
        6 months ago

        The cynic in me says money.

        More specifically though, there’s this sense of media hierarchy where some mediums are considered superior/more digestible/mainstream than others. Think back to the 2000s, everyone wanted that live action cowboy bebop remake with Keanu reeves, same kind of thing.

        I couldn’t tell you why this exists, very often the original media was good because of the medium it was presented in. I’d argue avatar is one of those cases, but that’s me.

      • stembolts@programming.dev
        1·
        6 months ago

        Hm, I think that’s a very individual question, because what a piece of art is “for” is often different for each person experiencing it. That said, for me it’s there for the opportunity to re-experience a world I enjoyed so much the first time around, brought to life by whatever visual magic producers use.

        As far as a general intention, I’m not sure there is one, cynically I could say “to make money” but I think the real answer is “who knows!” I don’t believe they intend to expand or modify much beyond what is necessary to adapt it, I think its just a recreation.

        Also, you can say you dislike it, I’m not an internet warrior, I understand that one person can enjoy something while the person sitting next to them hates it, and as far as I am concerned they are both right.

    • blargerer@kbin.social
      6·
      6 months ago

      I’m happy you liked it, but its really quite bad. It ruins character arcs, has bad acting and terrible dialogue, and it apparently never heard of the show don’t tell rule.

      • stembolts@programming.dev
        2·
        6 months ago

        Well we can hope they take some of these lessons to heart in the upcoming seasons.

        I love the source material so much that it seems like I may be taste-blind to the flaws. I’m pretty thankful for that.

    • criitz@reddthat.com
      5·
      6 months ago

      That’s a hot take. I couldn’t make it through the trailer when they mispronounced the main character’s name. How could they have respected any of the rest of the material? I’ll still pass on watching it.

      EDIT: OH this is about the live action TV Series not the Movie! …Still pass

      • stembolts@programming.dev
        1·
        6 months ago

        Ah, I never noticed as I always avoid trailers. I just watch the show and stop watching if it’s bad. And I try to leave a lot of room for artistic interpretation but tbh with avatar I didn’t end up needing it.

        Coming into it my main fear was that they’d misrepresent a character’s motivations, back story, or change some other pivotal thing that would disrupt the mood of the show. At the end of season one I just found myself wanting to watch the animated series again to compare the two some more.

        Idk, it’s perfectly fine to dislike a show and I enjoy exploring critiques (after I’ve seen the show in question), I am quite glad I was one of the ones who enjoyed it. The environments, the brooding, the constant fleeing and threat of the fire nation, uncle iroh, and I think they’re doing a good job representing the past avatars as conflicting figures who disagree on many things… and I can even see Zuko’s character decelopment (and azula…) coming together.