Because OP literally only asked who’s seen it all the answers here are plain yes/no ay?

This “you have to experience something to comment on it” is liberal individualism anyway. I don’t have to be a farmer to comment on the impact of climate change on farming or climate change more broadly.

You’d have a point if I had commented on the movie’s writing, aesthetic, picture, acting performances, score, etc. But I didn’t. I made a general point about the nature of cultural products under capitalism and the laws that govern this movie as much as any other.

Haven’t seen it, don’t plan to, don’t care to tbh.

But having talked to some people about it, this is my takeaway: “Messaging” is simply a new tool of marketing, especially “subversive” messaging. You’re not buying a car - you’re committing a revolutionary act of activism against climate change and fossil capitalism. You’re not buying an ethically farmed, grass-fed, local steak, you’re fighting animal cruelty and big farming lobbies with your consumption. You’re not simply dressing up skandidly in pink to watch a multi-hundred million dollar Hollywood production of Barbie produced and approved of by its parent company, giving new legitimacy to that old rubber toy franchise and boosting sales numbers. You’re totally subverting gender roles and criticizing capitalism by doing so.

Imo you’re not. You’re just buying a new car, munching another steak and going to the movies again promoting one of the most famous IPs of all time. It’s the same thing we’ve done our entire lives. Changing the messaging around the act without changing the act, doesn’t change the act. You’re just doing the thing.

There can’t be anything really subversive coming out of the hegemonic culture industry. By the very nature of its production, via the commodification it undergoes, it has already become toothless and assimilated. Neoliberal anti-capitalism is just the newest sales-pitch. It’s along the lines of “diverse” CIA targeting officer recruitment ads. Just like capitalism can’t produce true anti-war movies, it can’t produce anti-capitalist or real anti-gender-role movies. It would be self-defeating if it did.

That being said, if you enjoy it more power to you. Nobody needs a grand narrative of subversion and messaging to go see and enjoy a movie at the theater. If you get something deeper out of it, even better.

Same honestly. At the very least it would’ve taken longer or gone via very different routes. I was already very far in radicalization before I found that sub, but it did play a big part in transfering that radical energy into praxis. But GZD was explicitly not about discussing with libs, it was dunking and meming on them. It was the discussions among comrades that I found most valuable to me. Comrades talking about their organizing efforts in the real world that got me motivated. That was something I had not experienced in real-life before and that’s what I sought and found in real organizing.

Basically if there were patty’s with some teeth they would enforce party discipline and education and that would lead to higher quality discourse online.

Not necessarily. Comrades that engage in actual praxis in RL mostly just don’t care enough to engage in discussions online. I can certainly attest to that. Since I started organizing offline my interest in engaging with libs online has stopped almost entirely. It’s time consuming, annoying, unpleasant and for the most part simply unproductive. 99% of people of any political affiliation do not engage in good-faith debate online - including me and most comrades here. The time I have for political activism is sparse and I can do more productive things with it than talk to a liberal who’s just gonna reply with a sissy-pee social credit meme to a comment I took 30mins to write. RL discussions for the most part are much better in this regard, because the human component shines through much more and you tend to pre-select the people you engage with to a much larger extent. Getting into political discussions with people completely opposed to your view doesn’t happen that much, whereas it is the standard online.

Is there anyway to work on like, an online party discipline?

For existing real-life parties going online maybe, but their energy is used much better elsewhere. For a bunch of randos like us? I don’t think so tbh. We are not organized, there’s no discipline, no organizational structure, no mechanisms to enforce things, no participation to come to conclusions and analysis.

I agree that communists in 2023 have to use the online space productively. Creating platforms like lemmygrad, producing content like podcasts, videos, articles, streams, etc is just much more worth-while (and even that’s limited) and lends itself more to concerted efforts than discussions with dorky libs.

Fuckin hell that comment section is such a cesspool I had to comment there for the first time. If I bust a vein from that stress you’ll be responsible for that lethal dose of liberalism, comrade

Wild. I dismissed the reddit thing as some niche, performative stunt a few libs there would screech about for a day or two and didn’t really pay attention to it beyond that. Didn’t expect more than a couple handful of people making the switch tbh…seems like I was off by an order of magnitude or two lol

Hope hexbear joins soon, then the based peoples combined can effectively stir some shit on /All and scare the libs there

I was gonna edit my post, because I clicked around some more and saw that too. There’s even a Porn lemmy now lmao. Mad how much everything has grown. Is all of that from the reddit thing or has it been growing over the past year?

On a related note, I only browse Local ever since I signed up here a year ago and iirc back then Lemmy itself sometimes had less activity than lemmygrad. Because of this post I just checked it out again and fucking hell it’s grown.

If/when hexbear federates just between them, lemmy and us the fediverse should be over 2k daily users soon.

Nah. Mostly pointless arguing about communism with people that understand neither capitalism nor communism and haven’t read a word of Marx or any Marxist.

Had someone tell me Das Kapital is a work of linguistics and an opinionpiece void of empiricism. Naturally they hadn’t read a word of it or any political/economic theory ever for that matter, but were completely adamant about their position.

You can’t argue with someone like that. Most libs are like this. They’ll just nod it off or go on anticommunist tirades they’ve picked up somewhere from someone.

Motherfuckers can’t even bring themselves to acknowledge the existence of the DPR - the whole fucking reason for this war.

They weren’t sentenced in “Russian occupied Ukraine”, the supreme court of the DPR sentenced them. Afaik btw these mercs have been fighting against the DNM for years, long before this invasion started, because this god damn war started 8 years ago, which the leddit brain also can’t comprehend.