Trump doesn’t need to withdraw from NATO. He just needs to give Putin additional top secret intelligence, ignore all treaties, and do whatever the fuck he wants to do. Seriously, does anyone expect anything else?
Trump can still fuck Ukraine, but now it’s harder to fuck up NATO and international relations for decades to come. Different things.
As much as I hope you are correct, I’m not going to bet that he can’t fuck with our international relations for decades to come.
“harder to”
It’s that pesky nuance thing nobody seems to be able to get these days again.
And you think giving NATO intelligence to Putin won’t screw up our relations with NATO and other nations? Because that’s what he would do if reelected. Hell, knowing Trump, he’d probably invite Putin to the swearing in, and give him Top secret materials as a goody bag when he went home.
Maybe, dear US citizens, don’t vote that evil clown again. Last time really stressed our good friendship.
Alternate possibility: he lets Ukraine fall, Russia, China, and/or NK are emboldened to attack NATO countries, and we have to send troops to war.
Trump invokes wartime powers and just never stops.
Or he does all that except sending the troops.
Trump can openly say he won’t ever allow US military intervention as part of NATO article 5, so even if the US remains in NATO it’s teeth are gone.
Ok, now pass one requiring the President to support and defend the Constitution, and to not be such an utter shithead.
I realize that second one is delusional when it comes to Trump.
My favorite part was how that was implied and held true by every fucking president.
And now we have to make shit explicit.
I mean, the President-elect must take the Oath of Office as stated in Article II, Section I , Clause 8 of the Constitution:
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation: – “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.”.
So it is on there. But it’s really just a pinky promise between you and a higher power. Whether that be a deity, the government, society/the social contract, or whatever.
There are two problems with this:
1, president Trump did not believe in a higher power than himself. He may present as Christian or even a twice-a-year Christian, but make no doubts, he saw himself as the highest power, answerable to no one
2, the president shouldn’t be answerable to no one. But the system of checks and balances is broken by a party-before-country half of Congress and a stacked and obviously biased and hyper-political Supreme Court (that has at least one seat stolen depending on how consistent you are in your beliefs. More if you think back to Bush v Gore…which is also why I hate people spouting for third parties. If half of the Florida Nader voters held their nose and voted for Gore, there wouldn’t have even been a question. Were their virtues worth the result that came of them? I say the same for the Bernie Bros who couldn’t hold their nose for HRC).
Democrats go after civil rights constantly and with impunity. Their presidents included
Next, remove the presidential pardon power.
Keep the pardon power, but, require approval from the senate on those selected to be pardoned.
An actual proactive decision? Instead of relying on nebulous gentleman’s agreements? How novel.
Good.
But as a point of contention, dictators, emperors, supreme leaders, etc. are not presidents. Just saying.
The laws aren’t written in any way that facilitates that for obvious reasons. It still requires a lot more effort (and to more directly be a dictator) if the system currently in place does not allow for something without force.
But like it’s just saying the obvious. If the laws in place block it, he would need to hope the next coup actually works.
The fact that this is even something Congress needed to consider doing is crazy.
The main purpose of the US military is deterrence. Soldiers and tanks and aircraft carriers do their job by being so intimidating that no one starts a major war. (They’re still useful if a war does start, but winning a war is far worse than not having to fight it in the first place.) A major component of this system of deterrence is the presentation of an indivisible united front between us and our allies. Simply having the President publicly question the dedication of the USA to NATO did billions of dollars worth of damage - compare how much better it would be to have had Trump keep his mouth shut than it would be to build an extra carrier battle group. (Arguments about who pays how much can be held in secret.)
The fun part is that they can pass a law to prevent Trump from officially leaving NATO, but they can’t pass a law to make him actually honor the alliance if a war does start, and they especially can’t pass a law to make the enemies of the USA believe that he would honor the alliance.
I was under the impression that while one function of the the US military is being a deterrence army, they also regularly invade countries around the globe in wars of aggression?
It’s not to deter countries from starting wars, it’s to deter countries from stopping using the dollar as a reserve currency. The wars of aggression come with that.
Cries in Gaddafi
Eh, sorta. As far as full scale invasion is concerned, off the top of my head, it’s happened three times since WWII (Iraq twice, Afghanistan once). There are many other cases that aren’t really invasions, but are terrible in their own right.
Korea and Vietnam were both cases of the country’s government being split, and one of the factions asked the US to intervene. Then there are a hundred conflicts all over where the US was involved in some capacity–usually material support or training, but not combat. Those smaller support actions are where the really bad stuff is. Most of South America was completely fucked up in that way. The US could pretend not to be involved while one faction of locals commits crimes against humanity.
Trump doesn’t follow laws and has and continues to be at war with the constitution and rule of law. Nothing congress does matters. Especially when it’s filled with brown shirt traitors.
… Then what’s the point of this law if Congress is full of brown shirt “traitors” who will give congressional approval for withdrawal from NATO?
The term “political theater” comes to mind.
This won’t mean squat if Trump is elected. Fascist assholes don’t follow rules.
Finally some good news.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), was included in the annual National Defense Authorization Act, which passed out of the House on Thursday and is expected to be signed by President Biden.
The provision underscores Congress’s commitment to the NATO alliance that was a target of former President Trump’s ire during his term in office.
“NATO has held strong in response to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s war in Ukraine and rising challenges around the world,” Kaine said in a statement.
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) leaves a Senate Republican Conference luncheon where they heard from Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.)
Biden has invested deeply in the NATO alliance during his term, committing more troops and military resources to Europe as a show of force against Putin’s war.
The former president’s advocates say his tough talk and criticisms of the alliance served to inspire member-states to fulfill their obligations to reach 2 percent of defense spending, lightening the burden on the U.S.
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I appreciate people posting content which disproves the idea that the GOP is monolithic.
Approval from Senate is 50%?
Senate 87 yes -13 no
House 310 yes -118 no
Is that the votes for this act?
I mean: it says the president removing the US from NATO now requires Senate approval or congressal act. So what % of Senate is required for Senate approval? 50%?
Yes, those were the votes for this act.
As for leaving NATO, the president either needs 2/3 of the Senate to OK it, or the house and senate need to pass an act, which would be a simple majority for both bodies.
I don’t think this vote has any relevance to the NATO withdrawal amendment, wherever it is (since I have still yet to find it anywhere on Congress.gov, including in the bill itself)
This vote is for a 3,854 page bill that might include it.
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Aannndddd…
that is somehow going to prevent Trump, post-crowning as GEOTUS, in 2025, from doing that?
He’s already said that the Constitution needs to be deleted.
He backs Putin.
This is just “Arranging the deck-chairs, on the sinking Titanic.”
The economic rug-pull, in the 1st half of next-year, 2024, will hand the election to the Repubs, via backlash.
That, combined with NO Muslim vote for the Dems…
and the Confederates will win dominion.
US’s Civil War Part2 begins, then.
The “letter of the law” protects nothing, when the authorities who interpret it, are ideology-addicts/prejudice-addicts.
As Metallica said: “sad but true”.
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civil war
more like balkanization at this point.
Come on, what’s the NATO to the USA?
So Dems restructuring the Executive branch is cool, when the GOP claims to want changes its all hands on deck? NATO should have been dissolved with the Warsaw Pact. At least the USSR kept its word, unlike the US
- This was overwhelmingly bipartisan legislation. Here is the split by party. The vast majority of republicans were for this bill.
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023723 https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1181/vote_118_1_00343.htm#position
- “Restructuring the Executive branch” is a pretty bold label for this. Congress is required for getting into to treaties and ratified the US’ joining of NATO. Clarifying that they need to be apart of leaving seems like a pretty minor iteration. It wasn’t clearly defined before. Now it is.
Wat
Read your own constitution.
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; …
Congress, not the President, has the power to declare war.
The Congress shall have Power To… To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
Stop getting your news from Russia today
