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Meta can fuck right off
I concur
I concur with the concurring and am concurrently concurring as well
Thirdcurring
Dear Meta: 🖕
Can you be more specific ?
Are you referring to Meta, as in Facebook? I am not aware of them being part of the fediverse.
We are federated at this time and do not currently block any instances from appearing through this one.
I’m going to assume they are referring to Meta (FaceBook)'s Threads program that has recently been slated for fediverse integration. https://fortune.com/2023/07/06/mark-zuckerberg-replacing-metaverse-with-twitter-killer-threads-fediverse/
My 2¢ is that, while I don’t care for the mega corpos tainting my beloved fediverse, I very much see this move as an example of how companies must “adapt or die” in action. Given Meta’s track record with trying to get a foot in the door of the next big thing, I’m dubious toward their success but wish them well, as more decentralization is always welcome. Threads may fail but its users may find they like this whole “federated instances” thing, speeding up adoption.
That all said, Threads (and Instagram) are slated to be on boarded into the same ActivityPub protocol that Lemmy, Kbin, and Mastodon all use and share. So, end of the day, by default we WILL be interacting with Threads users the same way we on Lemmy currently interact with Kbin or Mastodon users.
The same freedoms and limitations of federation are and will be available to use as before. At least in the short term future.
Hey, thanks so much for the info! I had no idea they were incorporating the fediverse into this Threads program (which I have not heard of. Looks like Twitter, but better, since it’s federated).
If you think Threads is better cuz of federation then you’d love Mastodon. It’s basically federated Twitter with double the word limit and more QoL features than Threads.
But yeah, Threads started as a seized opportunity after the whole X thing happened and people were looking to migrate off the platform. Meta basically tried to offer its own Twitter to syphon users into its own ecosystem.
I do love Mastodon! We had looked into setting that up before deciding on Lemmy (due to it’s clear similarity to Reddit).
I was indeed referring to Meta.
Here’s an article about the Dropbox imbroglio… https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/15/dropbox_ai_training/?td=rt-3a
It includes these paragraphs…
"That could have been the end of it, but for one thing: as noted by developer Simon Willison, many people no longer trust what big tech or AI entities say. Willison refers to this as the “AI Trust Crisis,” and offers a few suggestions that could help – like OpenAI revealing the data it uses for model training. He argues there’s a need for greater transparency.
That is a fair diagnosis for what ails the entire industry. The tech titans behind what’s been referred to as “Surveillance Capitalism” – Amazon, Google, Meta, data gathering enablers and brokers like Adobe and Oracle, and data-hungry AI firms like OpenAI – have a history of opacity with regard to privacy practices, business practices, and algorithms.
To detail the infractions through years – the privacy scandals, lawsuits, and consent decrees – would take a book. Recall that this is the industry that developed “dark patterns” – ways to manipulate people through interface design – and routinely opts customers into services by default because they know few would bother to make that choice.
Let it suffice to observe that a decade ago Facebook, in a moment of honesty, referred to its Privacy Policy as its Data Use Policy. Privacy has simply never been available to those using popular technology platforms – no matter how often these firms mouth their mantra, “We take privacy very seriously.”"
I do not intend to have an involuntary Meta account.
In the sense that Meta may have an informal profile on you through your browsing habits, cookies tracking, IP addresses and etc - it may be in some ways that we all have involuntary accounts kept on us with today’s major data brokers.
I don’t see how this could be avoided on web2. We (the user population of the internet) need to transition to open source platforms like this one / other activityhub fediverse capable softwares. There isn’t nearly as much incentive to learn about and try to advertise to us when we don’t allow any sponsored advertising on our instance.
There are other ways to advertise of course. Posting topics about how tasty a food item was, etc, could and should be weighed with skepticism on online platforms. I imagine this instance will stay focused on the DRS niche and so we likely won’t have to worry about that here.
Really interesting discussion all the way around. Thanks a lot for making this topic.
What are the pros and cons to federating with meta?
Pros:
- You get Uncle JimBob’s boomer meme posts in your Lemmy feed now
Cons:
- FaceMeta suddenly represents a huge percentage of the userbase for ActivityPub, starts adding “extensions” that only work through Threads, promotes “free communication” between those on Threads and those elsewhere, then slams the door on everyone else causing fragmentation in the space and hopefully (from their perspective) killing the protocol.
At least, that’s more or less what happened with XMPP. I’m not entirely convinced that Threads federation will lead to the same fate, but the idea of having Facebook shit in my feeds is not an appealing prospect in the first place.
Ahh embrace, extend, extinguish. Don’t ever change tech juggernauts, don’t ever change 💎👌
Don’t get to enjoy a relative monopoly by letting infant competitors grow up…
Based take here. I wonder who authorises and encourages these monopolies to grow in contravention of their own “rules”? Certainly not fed boys bent on knowing everything about you and wanting to encourage you to give it all to them willingly so these monopolies can pass it all along to their gov. goon sponsors and partners? It’s a “free” market after all. Evil private Facebook, Google, legacy corporate media, et al just happen to share the exact same priorities as the well-intentioned security state control freak 3-letter propaganda organizations using your tax dollars against you. Funny how that works.
Look where you are right now. Reddit won’t allow users to even name Lemmy so we can tell them where we are.
Do you think Meta might do the same at some point?
Could this be yet another attempt to contain and control us?
This is a “let’s just invite Professor Lechter over for dinner, he seems like a friendly fellow” moment for Lemmy and the Fediverse.
Admins of each instance can choose which other instances to federate/share your info with.
Here’s the convo on lemmy.world… https://lemmy.world/post/9527528?scrollToComments=true
The whole thing is there, submitted for your approval. If anyone recognizes shills by now, it’s us.
👍 glad to see those with wits about them escaped here from the infiltrated and controlled forums. Glad to have you here SubDRSive.
Most of us did it months ago.
I have a problem with that. It makes me feel like I’m being sold like a specimen in a Petri dish.
Not informing users that they’re being sold out is and was insulting and rude. And you didn’t even get enough to build your own tomb like Zuck is doing with great public-spiritedness.
Well, enjoy the exodus as yet another online ideal gets eroded by greed.
So far 2 Masto, a Pixel, and a Lemmy are done for me.
I didn’t sign up to work free for billionaires.
I meant most instances blocked them ~5 months ago. I must have read the post wrong at the time. Most of these questions are asked in the way that Lemmy works. You defederate. You automatically federate with everyone.
