Let me be clear, I don’t actually despise her very much. That being said, she’s a fucking albatross for the Democrats. The 30 year campaign to vilify her by conservatives has been very successful. I wish she would stay out of this.
Nah, she’s an idiot who goes around giving lucrative Rah-Rah speeches to fucking Wall Street Banks mid-campaign, and also acted super entitled to the Office (like it was “her turn” lol). She villifies herself sufficiently and necessarily without the externalities
Porque no los dos? To be clear, I don’t think she’s an “idiot” at all. She’s very intelligent, and is a good statesperson. I do think she lacks a sense of cultural awareness that leads to her saying and doing things that come off pretentious and entitled, AND the right has been trying to destroy her career since the early 90s
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That’s pretty evident.
And this was pretty
unnecessaryredundantYou’re unnecessary
You’re a dick.
Yeah I regret not voting for her over trump, but I viewed both of them as trash candidates. The DNC corruption to support her over Bernie left me bitter and I couldn’t stomach casting a vote for a chronic lying career politician in the pocket of the banks.
I have never been a Biden fan either, viewing him as a career politician who was always regarded as a centrist (e.g., drug policy) before the political spectrum went full tilt to the right. But I happily voted for Biden over trump and will vote for any candidate over him. I can also acknowledge the good Biden’s presidency has done.
But Hillary Clinton is the biggest reason trump won. She is so unlikable and far from a progressive or honest politician. I would’ve voted for any other dem candidate back in 2016. It was the first election I could vote in, but I abstained when my decision was between a giant douche and a shit sandwich. Most people I knew in college at the time felt the same way. She never had the support of young adults.
As much as I hated the trump presidency, at the same time, I was selfishly satisfied seeing her lose after the DNC/Debbie Wasserman Schultz scandal and Hillary Clinton’s pompous, obnoxious entitlement and “It’s my turn!” mentality. Let’s not forget that she and Bill Clinton were also friends with epstein and trump, and were in the same social circles before the 2016 run…
Ya for real
The problem I see is that she matters absolutely zero. There is no person in the United States who would be influenced by Clinton who was not already a Biden voter. She’s also not going to scare away anyone who feels like they have to hold their nose and vote for Biden. She’s not going to win or lose any Trump voters. She’s not going to win or lose any Stein voters. I think the only person this is going to help is Clinton.
Bet she tries running again in 2028, as everyone’s latest only possible choice.
If they still have elections by then, possibly
Hillary '28: It’s supposed to be my turn now…
Perhaps that’s exactly why this is happening
She’s gunning for a cabinet position.
VP.
Oh we won’t let that happen.
She should stay in and endorse Trump.
The heads of some of the worst people from the bases of both parties would explode and there would be a critical popcorn shortage within days if not hours as demand skyrocketed.
I’m here for it 😆
Oh fuck that. The Republicans didn’t force her to rig the nomination race with Deb whatshername.
so close. it’s deb wasserman-shultz. whatshername is a common misspelling ;)
Why won’t she go away??
I’m planning to vote for Biden I don’t need her to talk me out of it lol
Exactly lol
She wants to run in 28
Of course she does. She just can’t take a hint. 🤦
Oh, that explains the “fuck you, you’re voting for us” messaging.
Biden re-election campaign worst optics in political history speedrun any%
“Hi this is adult film star Brandi Maxxx…”
At this point she would probably garner a few more votes for him.
If cheating on your wife by fucking a porn star and using campaign fund for her hush money could tank a campaign, we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place.
It depends on who does it
Please tell her to stop. Nobody needs this kind of help.
Oh you want to get water out of your boat? Let me help you with this drill.
I’ll just displace the water with acid! Oh and some fire will evaporate it!
Holy shit are they trying to lose?
Cool let’s just make our odds to get Biden back even fucking worse. Fuck sakes, can’t this bitch just crawl into a hole somewhere and disappear
This is the same woman who thought bringing in Henry Kissinger with her made her more electable.
I wonder if they’re dragging her out because he’s not available…
I’m not American but what I have seen of her (Not much) gives me Dolores Umbridge vibes from Potter, she even kinda looks like her. So probably a bad thing but won’t hurt Biden more than supporting a genocide at least.
She has absolutely zero charisma, just not a likeable or trustworthy individual.
It honestly amazes me the calibre of candidate America has been able to put forward the last few years, you have either Hillary, or a selection of coffin dodgers.
That’s because the ruling class is a bunch of zombies running the earth into the ground for profit. You have to be a soulless goul to get approval to run for office. There are zero new ideas or vision, just greed vampires.
It’s a problem, how do you rise to power without having to do awful things that make you just like them…
Shit I remember I loved the show The Boys bc it showed how you had to compromise every single one of your values to reach anywhere …
There’s a phrase or quote about this that I can’t remember…
Something about how the people you would actually want to govern would never volunteer to do so.
“ The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
Written by Douglas Adams
Why would you run for office if not for personal gain? Only an idiot would put themselves through that wringer for the betterment of society. Because you will never change the system, the system exists to extract wealth from the weak to give to the strong. Thinking otherwise is delusional and demands scorn or at least suspicion.
I’m feeling extra cynical today.
ITT: “The whole system is broken and it will never get better because every candidate is awful and good people never run. Why does nobody like me ever run for office?”
Also ITT: ”Why would you run for office if not for personal gain? ”
I know you’re just being cynical, and I’m just poking at you… but really, though. For the people, by the people, and of the people. If you hate the people running so much, seriously, step up and run! That’s the entire point of our system!
I’m usually a proponent of that ethos. I do take part civicly. I think the further up the ladder you go the more polluted your ethics tend to get. We appear to have it slightly better in Canada, for the time being. I’ve lost hope for you dudes down there. I think you’re fucked. Sorry.
I don’t know if you understood, I already hit my ceiling. I’m not willing to compromise any more to actually be able to do something.
I truly wanted to leave this world better then how I found it.
But in a society made for psychopaths to thrive I don’t think I have it in me. Even If I could hold on, when I got to a position that matters I probably sacrificed so much that I would be little better then them. Not to mention that probably I will be surrounded by awful people that make me wonder who am I doing this for.
Basically, I don’t think I can do it, just hanging out with those shitty legacy kids already takes me out of the game and you (unfortunately )need those conections to advance. But they say shit like, "I bet I can spit in that homeless " or "I can’t wait until my grandma dies so i can inherit "
They can go places because they grew up in a bunch of places that allow them to know everyone important in a country, ivy legacies. But then they have the moral values of a sociopath at best… How do you create change if you have to be around these people and not lose hope
As far as her being trustworthy, personally I’d trust her as much or more than about 90% of politicians out there, which is admittedly a pretty low bar, and probably says more about how shit our politicians are overall as opposed to being a particularly positive comment about her.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t exactly like her, she’s far from my first choice, but overall I’d generally trust her to do what she says she’s going to do. I may not always like what she says she’s going to do, but sadly the bar is low enough that just being upfront about the ways she’d fuck us over is almost refreshing compared to the flat out lies and bait-and-switch schemes and such most politicians pull.
I also generally trust her to not be outright malicious, maybe greedy, misguided, short-sighted, stubborn, and/or wrong, sure, I could definitely see those, but I don’t think she’s generally out to hurt people she doesn’t like just for the sake of hurting people, which again is sadly how low our bar is set.
No other real disagreements with your comment, I’d agree that shes not charismatic, not likeable, but fairly trustworthy as far as politicians go, which is a huge asterisk to throw on there.
If I woke up from a coma into a world with president Hillary, I’d be far from thrilled, but I could also kind of shrug it off as “well we could have done a lot worse.”
I agree. I don’t think she’s worse than any other liberal politician, and I think notably better than all but the most progressive ones (like better than Biden probably) . Her biggest sin (imo) is that she’s not very charismatic. Like the opposite of Michelle Obama - who’s very likeable and charismatic but has no political ambitions.
She’s not evil, just milquetoast.
An unlikable career politician that people are tired of hearing from and about.
Henry Kissinger died and now she’s after a new ancient war criminal.
Or maybe her afternoons opened up now that she’s not spending them enthusing about warfare with her dear friend, one of history’s greatest monsters. Perhaps a little of both.
She’s got a type
Oh god, she is NOT a help. She’s how we got Trump in the first place. We really need her to stay out of the news from now on.
Yeah, thanks, we’re good.
Go away Hilldawg
Some would say it’s the kiss of death. We’ll see.
"Clinton is popular with women and key parts of the Democratic base and remains a fundraising draw who can help ensure Biden has the money to get his message out…”
“Clinton’s role is only expected to grow in the new year, but for now, she is filling a space that at a later point in the campaign season former President Barack Obama will join. Obama’s habit is to plunge in closer to Election Day — a reality that rankles some Democratic strategists who say the party sorely needs him right now.”
Honestly, Clinton is so politically irrelevant, I didn’t know she was involved in his campaign to begin with. Plus, she’s been wildly unpopular her whole career. How exactly does this hurt Biden? If anything, I’d think it’ll help him not to have any involvement with the Clintons
Plus, she’s been wildly unpopular her whole career
She’s been wildly unpopular with Republicans her entire career. Let’s not forget that she got more votes than Trump.
There’s lots and lots and lots of people who aren’t Republicans who also don’t like her.
Again. She pulled more votes than Trump. I am sure that a lot of men of all stripes don’t like accomplished and assertive women.
Oh she pulled more votes than the complete joke of a human being that no one thought could ever possibly win? Amazing.
Except that she lost to a reality TV grifter. Keep pushing that people that don’t like her are sexist though, it worked so well last time.
How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy
mission accomplished! ;)
She also won a Senate seat, but I won’t confuse you with the facts.
So did Mitch McConnell. What does that have to do with her being likeable? Or are you just going to keep moving the goal posts?
She pulled more votes than Trump.
Maybe Bernie would have pulled votes where it mattered and won, but we’ll never know because it was her turn or some bullshit.
I’m a process believer. If you can’t get enough momentum to win primaries, you can’t expect to win the general. Bernie didn’t, it’s plain as that.
I’m a process believer.
Particularly the part of the process where the party doesn’t have to adhere to its own primary rules.
Pretty hard to get momentum when your own party is undercutting you and playing unfairly, but go ahead and keep thinking everything was on the up and up
Which process? The one where Debbie Wasserman Schultz puts her thumb on the scale for Hillary’s benefit?
Big Bernie fan. I agree with you, Bernie couldn’t draw enough people sadly.
Again, a lot of people voted for her because they disliked Trump and the only way to keep him from winning was to vote for her. That’s the only reason I voted for her: Anyone else other than Trump.
It really doesn’t matter.
You don’t have to like someone to vote for them. Especially given the alternative.
Let’s not forget that she got more votes than Trump.
Let’s not forget that many of her votes in that election were less about her and more about “anyone but Trump.”
Some people just like to dinninish others accomplishments
Losing to Trump is not an accomplishment.
That old electoral college is something isn’t it
It’s been around since 1787. If she didn’t account for it, that speaks to her incompetence as a politician and nothing else.
I’m speaking from experience. I only voted for her because the alternative was Trump. I’m not dinninishing (SIC) her accomplishments I’m stating a fact. Many people voted for her because it was the lesser of two evils.
Yeah so everybody is like you. Tens of millions
You’re right. I’m the only one. 🙄
To be fair all Democrats are widely unpopular with Republicans. When one comes into the spotlight the first thing they do is try to discredit them with bullshit. It could be Mr. Rogers himself.
Republicans started a campaign against Hillary at the the start of Bill Clinton’s Presidency. The playback to hurt Bill, who they had no answer for, was simular to what they are doing to Hunter Biden now. They knew she was smart and Bill was using her as an advisor. They investigated her and trash talked her for years. This gradually embedded itself into the American psyche so when she did start to achieve on her own, the Republican myths surfaced. You can still still see see them in this string.
Republicans didn’t force her to collude with the DNC to tamper with the primary. Nor did they force her to campaign on such gems as “$15/hr minimum wage is too high” and “we don’t need universal health care” and “if you don’t vote for me you’re sexist.”
And that’s just in places where she actually campaigned.
Also refusing to condemn the Iraq war as a mistake was a HUGE no no for me. I will never forgive any prominent politicians involved in the pointless war.
She actually had good approval ratings as Secretary of State, for a bit. Helped that she didn’t have to talk to us hoi polloi in that position, which she is… not good at.
She’s got some of the biggest coffers in DC, if you need to raise money for a political campaign she’s the Koch brothers for the Democrats.
she’s the Koch brothers for the Democrats.
Almost as corrupt and dishonest as them, too! 🥳
What women is Clinton popular with? Those over 70?
It doesn’t even matter. She will galvanize some Republicans that might otherwise not vote. That’s a problem. Let them sit out. Don’t rile them up by getting involved. I blame Hillary for Trump.
She’s awful.
I blame Hillary for Trump.
She is directly to blame. Her strategy was to prop him up in the primaries, and America is paying for her bad decision still.
I would guess her demo is college educated women. Could be wrong, though. Could be older suburban women. Maybe both.
It’s financially comfortable yoga moms and other gentrifiers. Also some critically underinformed people who trust outlets like CNN and Politico as well as campaign ads implicitly.
“Democratic Strategists” is an oxymoron. They haven’t done an intelligent thing since the 90’s. Obama actually happened in spite of the Democratic party.
Voting against the orange dictator regardless. So her involvement won’t sway me a bit.
same here, but I suspect there’s a significant amount of people that will be put off. She could have just supported the campaign financially without announcing anything, that would have been great.
big surprise. conservatives need to stick together, after all
I have no idea why you are being downvoted. Neo-liberals are conservatives by every international standard. We simply do not have a progressive party in the U.S. yet.
Our choice is currently milquetoast conservative neo-liberals or full-blown fascists. We need more young people and more progressives running for offices.
Downvoted by the tribalistic dems who have convinced themselves that the lesser evil is good.
How could you not be excited to go out and vote for the lesser of two genocides though? Society depends on you using the only material political power you have to endorse and empower a financier of genocide and veto-er of Humanatatian pauses.
Sarcasm aside the fact that actual genocide is the ‘lesser evil’ should show people what decades of lesser evilism gets us.
