American Militia Members. Where the hell are you? THIS is what you exist for and you are doing NOTHING!

Edit: I’ve only heard “defense against tyranny” as justification for these militias by these militia

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    Successful millitant Leftist organizers like the Black Panther Party are stamped out by the State, leaving only far-right millitias in any real number.

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      I’m convinced that this is it. There’s a dual track effort to defang leftists through first heavily propagandizing the success of “pure” non-violent movements by removing them from their context, then by aggressively stamping out the groups that move past that. The first part is why you see so many people saying “well, why don’t we just march again and wave more signs?” The state has done a very, very, very good job of convincing people that peaceful assembly without the threat of unpeaceful assembly behind it means a goddamn thing.

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        Spot-on! Just look at the historical revisionism surrounding the roles of Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X, the US mythologizes the Civil Rights Movement and erases the more millitant actions that forced their hand. See the shunning of Nelson Mandela for appreciating the aid Fidel Castro and Cuba at large had sent, followed by the revision of Mandela himself in popular western view. It’s through these distortions and bluntings of real, working class victories fought and paid in blood in ways that prevent the modern working class from following in their predecessor’s footprints.

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    They’re all white supremacists, man. This isn’t a tyranny to them, it’s exactly what they want, they want anyone who isn’t white ‘self deporting’ in the face of cruel mistreatment, and the military and the rest of the government is deleting any mention of any historical person that isn’t a white cis het male. They have never been happier.

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      This exactly.

      They don’t see imposing a state of fundamentalist Christian supremacy as tyranny, because their ideology is one of Christian Nationalism (which in the US is inherently white nationalism).

      They see the erosion of their relevance as the tyranny they’re supposed to stand up to despite it mostly being driven by cultural changes instead of government mandates. This means that the militias are meant to commit violence against civilians; they know the cops will side with them in a scrum. They’re more afraid of a lesbian with blue hair than a rogue sherrif depriving them of rights.

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    The vast, vast majority of armed militias that are allowed to operate in the U.S. are far-right white supremacists. Mysteriously, they are allowed to operate without any issues, but any leftist militias that start to accumulate guns get a visit from the FBI or the ATF.

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    it’s not government tyranny unless a democrat is president. duh,

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    There was supposed to be a well regulated militia.

    The militia we have are gravy seals and Y’all Qaeda who want to dismantle regulation and rights.

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    94% of Militia members in the US are foaming at the mouth reactionaries if not open fascists, with many being active or former law enforcement or related to military or intelligence.

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        Left and fascist are opposites. Left wing organization in general does sadly require millitancy, though, whether it be for revolution or to defend against outside Capitalist powers.

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          Ideas and idiologies are more than just left and right.

          Facism is a way of doing things. It just usually is more prominent with the political right wings because of authotarianism. But there also are left facists. One just doesnt call them that. Leninists, maoists, stalinists, tankies

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            That’s not accurate, though. Fascism specifically is a far-right ideology centered around nationalism and entrenching the Bourgeoisie, usually through appealing to frustrations within the Petite Bourgeoisie. It’s a defense mechanism for Capitalism against rising labor organizing and threat of toppling Bourgeois power.

            Marxism, on the other hand, is Left-wing. The class character of the various Communist strains is in appealing to the Proletariat, and wresting control from the Bourgeoisie, rather than entrenching it.

            This is why Communists are the most effective anti-fascists, and fascists the most effective anti-communists, these are diametrically opposed systems and ideologies. That’s why 80% of the combat of World War II was on the Eastern Front, between the USSR and Nazi Germany.

            I highly recommend Dr. Michael Parenti’s Blackshirts and Reds, the first chapter in particular goes to great length to explain how equating Communism to fascism is a horribly inaccurate mistake that obscures the real underlying systems and impacts the two ideologies have had on the global stage in History.

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              I much prefer georgi dimitrov definition as “the open terrorist dictatorship of finance capital most reactionary and chauvinistic elements”.

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                Certainly better put! When someone is conflating Communism with fascism, though, they often need to be walked baby-steps through those errors in my experience, and Parenti does a great job with that.

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            Facism is a way of doing things

            Fascism is an ideology, not way of doing things.

            One just doesnt call them that. Leninists, maoists, stalinists, tankies

            If they are fascists, why did Hitler attack them?

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    While it is true that the majority of what people conceive of as American “militias” are reactionary, leftist community defense groups do exist. They have no where near the organizing capacity to march on DC but they can be seen protecting their local communities often under the umbrella label Antifa. Given the material conditions of the US, most of the focus is on providing marginalized groups with the skills and resources to protect themselves.

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    If you expect your enemies to die fighting for your beliefs while you sip a latte and post memes then you’re unfathomably fucking stupid. Right wingers care about stopping communism. Guess whose job it is to stop fascism?

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      Everybody else? Its not the communists, its literally every shade of political direction

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      I think you misunderstood the point.

      Everytime I’ve seen someone an American militia discussing its purpose, defending against a tyrannical government is overwhelmingly given as the reason, from what I’ve seen when they are being interviewed.

      It appears to me, who is not an american, that there is no other possible explanation for what’s happening in that country right now. Like it’s not even a debatable fact from what I’m seeing. The Dems bend over backwards and support this regime seemingly everytime they have the chance to opposite it, CR resolution as but one recent example.

      So if both parties are in cahoots, and these militia are by their own words the check to this exact situation, why are they not acting? They didn’t have to start with guns blazing, but I’m not seeing it hearing them in any way doing the thing they say they exist to do m

      So as my post mentioned, I directed my question to those members for someone to respond. I haven’t seen any comments here that claim to be from militia members.

      If you expect your enemies to die fighting for your beliefs while you sip a latte and post memes then you’re unfathomably fucking stupid

      It’s not my flight as i don’t live there. I’m not at all claiming what you said and this is a disingenuous argument that tells me you didn’t understand my question.

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        Your fundamental misunderstanding is that “militia” is a euphemism for “right wing domestic terrorist organization”. You won’t find them on Lemmy. There are a few small armed leftist organizations, but they wouldn’t call themselves militias and their mission is defending their communities. They understand that our government has always been tyrannical and a few guys with guns will just get themselves killed.

        Don’t believe right wingers. (You can be forgiven for not knowing these were fringe right wing idiots. Media coverage tends to obscure that part.) They say they’re against government tyranny, but really they just hate brown people. (They meant the “tyranny” of having to sit at the same lunch counter as [slurs].) They love what is going on now.

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          I’m simply using the terms as that are used. My understanding of the word is more or less the same as this:

          militia, military organization of citizens with limited military training, which is available for emergency service, usually for local defense

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        Why are foreigners who I don’t understand not behaving the way I expect them to?

        The two parties being in cahoots is a minority opinion and in my view little better than a conspiracy theory. The Democrats tried to impeach Trump twice, filed felony charges against him four separate times, and put a bunch of his cronies in prison. They are limited in the actions they can realistically take against him not only by a longstanding commitment to the rule of law but also by the political reality that he has a lot of supporters and they need to choose their battles carefully. It’s frustrating to watch from the outside but I doubt any of us could do much better if we were in their shoes.

        Militia members, being overwhelmingly right-wingers, care much more about some specific freedoms than they do about others, and those priorities are going to be different from yours. Also, as right-wingers, they naturally care much more about the freedom of themselves, their families, and their communities and allies than they do about the freedom of their enemies and people they don’t know and have little in common with. They also have different ideas about what sort of government overreach constitutes a threat to America than you do, and are naturally going to be more forgiving of it when it occurs as part of advancing their values and priorities or fighting against their enemies.

        And finally, you knew damn well that you weren’t going to get any responses from right-wing militia members by posting on lemmy.ml, this was never intended as anything other than a circlejerk post and you’re not fooling anybody.

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          Why are foreigners who I don’t understand not behaving the way I expect them to?

          Maybe because ita batshit crazy and no one outside of america can seemingly figure out what the fuck is happening right now.

          They picked a fight and are threatening the soveriegnty of CANADA! Their biggest and oldest bestie!.

          Its bat shit crazy!

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    If the anti fascists of the US actually started arming themselves en masse, I think it would be a net positive effect.

    Either you have more armed anti fascists able to fight back, or the fascists panic and begin banning guns, causing the fools who follow them to actually think twice about their beliefs.

    Nothing gets far right followers more riled up than someone threatening to take their firearms.