First off, drop the homophobia. It is entirely unsurprising that anti-communists inevitably resort to ableism, honophobia, transphobia, or misogyny to attack those supporting Socialism, but it’s truly horrible behavior. Claiming I am being “bad-faith” when you resort to homophobic attacks is ironic.
Castro was elected, and did not have absolute power. The people he oppressed were the Slavers, Fascists, and Capitalists that worked with the United States to colonize and enslave the people of Cuba. Castro is labeled a dictator for taking away the freedom to enslave, the freedom to colonize, from the United States and their allies in Cuba.
I see that now, but it was admittedly tough to grasp at first. Cowbee was able to clarify for me in another thread on this post. It may be helpful for others.
I picked up on your intentions, believe me, but the origins for why it is insulting is rooted in shame, misogyny, and homophobia. To copy my comment:
“Sucking dick” is homophobic because the root is in shame. Shame, because sexual favors are seen as “subservient,” which also has roots in misogyny. Given that I display my pronouns as he/they, it’s pretty clearly directed in a manner that tried to depict me in a “shameful” position giving sexual favors to men.
Given that I am also pansexual, this is worse, though they had no way to know.
Tangentially, “kissing ass” has similar roots. Further still, even after having it pointed out, they defended their actions. Certainly not actions I would want a moderator of queer communities to have.
Of course it is, now Cuba is more progressive for queer people than the vast majority of the world, including the US. I never once said Castro was a saint free of any sin.
“Sucking dick” is homophobic because the root is in shame. Shame, because sexual favors are seen as “subservient,” which also has roots in misogyny. Given that I display my pronouns as he/they, it’s pretty clearly directed in a manner that tried to depict me in a “shameful” position giving sexual favors to men.
Given that I am also pansexual, this is worse, though they had no way to know.
Tangentially, “kissing ass” has similar roots. Further still, even after having it pointed out, they defended their actions. Certainly not actions I would want a moderator of queer communities to have.
I understand how it could be insulting as a command. “Go suck a dick” implies that it’s an undesirable activity to be used as punishment.
I don’t understand the homophobia in using sucking dick like kissing ass, swinging from their nuts, or cucking. They are interchangeable in both context and sexuality.
Again, the root is that performing sexual favors for someone you are supporting or defending is in shame. The source of this shame, is that society sees such an action in a negative light. If you say someone supporting someone is sucking them off, it implies that they are taking a shameful action that if discovered they would be embarrassed.
It weaponizes society’s homophobia to silence others. On top of being rude, it’s based in misogyny and homophobia.
It wouldn’t be homophobic to claim you were kissing a woman’s ass. It would still be rooted in sexual shame, which has misognyistic roots. I told you quite plainly that I openly display my pronouns and am a pansexual man, saying I am sucking someone’s dick is homophobic in this case.
I defend victims of Imperialism punished for overthrowing their colonizers and creating a more progressive and democratic system. You didn’t even walk back your homophobia, and I didn’t even attack you once. The fact that you couldn’t offer any proof or counter to my sources further cements your lack of interest in the common good of the Cuban people, rather, it seems you wish to recolonize them.
First off, drop the homophobia. It is entirely unsurprising that anti-communists inevitably resort to ableism, honophobia, transphobia, or misogyny to attack those supporting Socialism, but it’s truly horrible behavior. Claiming I am being “bad-faith” when you resort to homophobic attacks is ironic.
Castro was elected, and did not have absolute power. The people he oppressed were the Slavers, Fascists, and Capitalists that worked with the United States to colonize and enslave the people of Cuba. Castro is labeled a dictator for taking away the freedom to enslave, the freedom to colonize, from the United States and their allies in Cuba.
I think they meant sucking dick like kissing ass, not like sucking dick as a form of punishment. I don’t think it was intended to be homophobic.
Intended or not, it is.
I see that now, but it was admittedly tough to grasp at first. Cowbee was able to clarify for me in another thread on this post. It may be helpful for others.
Yeah, not sure how they didn’t pick up on that.
I picked up on your intentions, believe me, but the origins for why it is insulting is rooted in shame, misogyny, and homophobia. To copy my comment:
“Sucking dick” is homophobic because the root is in shame. Shame, because sexual favors are seen as “subservient,” which also has roots in misogyny. Given that I display my pronouns as he/they, it’s pretty clearly directed in a manner that tried to depict me in a “shameful” position giving sexual favors to men.
Given that I am also pansexual, this is worse, though they had no way to know.
Tangentially, “kissing ass” has similar roots. Further still, even after having it pointed out, they defended their actions. Certainly not actions I would want a moderator of queer communities to have.
So the fact that the LGBTQ+ didn’t get equal rights there until after Fidel’s death isn’t an issue for you?
Of course it is, now Cuba is more progressive for queer people than the vast majority of the world, including the US. I never once said Castro was a saint free of any sin.
Wow, quite the flip flop.
In my stance? Not at all.
Flip Flopping from what, you dumb fuck homophobe?
Yeah, because you’re such a shining example…
Goes from a golden view of cuba under fidel to saying he wasn’t free from sin and all the false accusations of what I am.
You’re a clown .
“Sucking dick” is homophobic because the root is in shame. Shame, because sexual favors are seen as “subservient,” which also has roots in misogyny. Given that I display my pronouns as he/they, it’s pretty clearly directed in a manner that tried to depict me in a “shameful” position giving sexual favors to men.
Given that I am also pansexual, this is worse, though they had no way to know.
Tangentially, “kissing ass” has similar roots. Further still, even after having it pointed out, they defended their actions. Certainly not actions I would want a moderator of queer communities to have.
Absurd.
Using it as an insult is homophobic. Doing it for pleasure is the opposite (assuming both pariticipants are men).
I understand how it could be insulting as a command. “Go suck a dick” implies that it’s an undesirable activity to be used as punishment.
I don’t understand the homophobia in using sucking dick like kissing ass, swinging from their nuts, or cucking. They are interchangeable in both context and sexuality.
Again, the root is that performing sexual favors for someone you are supporting or defending is in shame. The source of this shame, is that society sees such an action in a negative light. If you say someone supporting someone is sucking them off, it implies that they are taking a shameful action that if discovered they would be embarrassed.
It weaponizes society’s homophobia to silence others. On top of being rude, it’s based in misogyny and homophobia.
You’re typing a lot, but you’re not clarifying anything.
How is it homophobic if someone told me, a straight man, that I’m kissing a woman’s ass? How do you even know my sexual preference in the first place?
I could understand claims of sexism in general, but homophobia is not all-encompassing to your point of shame.
It wouldn’t be homophobic to claim you were kissing a woman’s ass. It would still be rooted in sexual shame, which has misognyistic roots. I told you quite plainly that I openly display my pronouns and am a pansexual man, saying I am sucking someone’s dick is homophobic in this case.
Lol, those who defend authoritarian regimes aren’t one who should be throwing stones. Done with you.
I defend victims of Imperialism punished for overthrowing their colonizers and creating a more progressive and democratic system. You didn’t even walk back your homophobia, and I didn’t even attack you once. The fact that you couldn’t offer any proof or counter to my sources further cements your lack of interest in the common good of the Cuban people, rather, it seems you wish to recolonize them.
Makes sense that you run away.