When I was an exchange student there, it was so painful. In my country I could walk places… Like, damn, going to the store to buy a snack or something. In Ohio I needed to ask someone for a 30m ride to the nearest location. It was just farm after farm after farm… Damn… It sucked.
That’s the same for most of US though. Not Ohio specific. They don’t know how to City over there. Just parking lots connected by highways and the buildings needed to support the parking lots.
I love the dichotomy of different kinds of states that tell technical truths about moving there. Ohio: I’ll tell you the truth because you actually don’t want to move here, trust me. An unnamed western state: weather or animals will killl you. Twice (please don’t move here, because it’s awesome without you here).
Sounds a lot like phoenix, except for the corn and snow… And it’s not usually muggy here, just that oven blast as you step out of your air conditioned space…
It’s worth actually doing the comparisons to see whether car-centric living is a net positive or negative in practice in particular situations. Urban density should be a pure benefit, with economies of scale making everything cheaper. Unfortunately, cities in practice have some downsides that reduce that benefit. One major one is that centralizing services means that it’s more useful to try to get a cut of the cash flowing through the institution, and so some of the gains get siphoned off. As a trivial example, exactly zero percent of car commute expenses go to a bus driver’s union.
Many people have already done the math many, many times, and it always works out to be a lot cheaper to have dense urban areas.
I just moved from a dense urban area to a rural area. Taking everything into account - yes, really - things are unambiguously cheaper here. That’s a common result in the US. If you want to blame a single thing, I’d go with lack of housing supply in cities due to exclusionary zoning, but I hit some other weird figures like municipal water+sewer being more expensive than a well and septic system (again, yes, taking everything into account including construction costs).
I understand you’re trying to be nuanced here. I think that realistically things are so very skewed toward suburban and exurban development, car centricity, that any movement toward urbanity is better at this point in time.
It’s really bad to support specific policies just because they sound like a kind of policy that you broadly support. I personally broadly support pro-density policies. But many specific policies that are proposed either have fatal flaws or are useless as long as a century worth of accumulated NIMBY policies exist that super-redundantly ban the sort of density increase that would actually be useful.
And to be clear, only allowing density increases without cars would be exactly the sort of nonsense restriction that would be a fatal flaw, at least in the US.
When I vote, I read up on the candidate’s positions. I make sure to do my research for decisions I make in the real world. When I’m on Lemmy? I’m going to stage a broad vague opinion because the level of nuance at play here is generally not attainable when not speaking about a specific local policy
That discussion tactic results in groupthink to a level that even coherent positions on the broad issues get obscured by conformance to factional stereotypes.
I think if someone is that unable to think critically, my comments on Lemmy are not going to have much impact. You don’t need to throw a thesaurus at me either, friend. I assume everyone I talk to on here is at least as smart as me or smarter, no need to prove anything. :-)
Housing might be cheap but…
When I was an exchange student there, it was so painful. In my country I could walk places… Like, damn, going to the store to buy a snack or something. In Ohio I needed to ask someone for a 30m ride to the nearest location. It was just farm after farm after farm… Damn… It sucked.
That’s the same for most of US though. Not Ohio specific. They don’t know how to City over there. Just parking lots connected by highways and the buildings needed to support the parking lots.
I love the dichotomy of different kinds of states that tell technical truths about moving there. Ohio: I’ll tell you the truth because you actually don’t want to move here, trust me. An unnamed western state: weather or animals will killl you. Twice (please don’t move here, because it’s awesome without you here).
Also sometimes the sky touches the ground and removes your house from existence
You’re talking about Montana. I know this because I used to live there. Get lost!
Sadly accurate.
State politicians are getting worse and worse
This is all right and its sad and my bike is sad
Only thing I care is, gigabit internet
Sounds a lot like phoenix, except for the corn and snow… And it’s not usually muggy here, just that oven blast as you step out of your air conditioned space…
It’s worth actually doing the comparisons to see whether car-centric living is a net positive or negative in practice in particular situations. Urban density should be a pure benefit, with economies of scale making everything cheaper. Unfortunately, cities in practice have some downsides that reduce that benefit. One major one is that centralizing services means that it’s more useful to try to get a cut of the cash flowing through the institution, and so some of the gains get siphoned off. As a trivial example, exactly zero percent of car commute expenses go to a bus driver’s union.
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I just moved from a dense urban area to a rural area. Taking everything into account - yes, really - things are unambiguously cheaper here. That’s a common result in the US. If you want to blame a single thing, I’d go with lack of housing supply in cities due to exclusionary zoning, but I hit some other weird figures like municipal water+sewer being more expensive than a well and septic system (again, yes, taking everything into account including construction costs).
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I understand you’re trying to be nuanced here. I think that realistically things are so very skewed toward suburban and exurban development, car centricity, that any movement toward urbanity is better at this point in time.
It’s really bad to support specific policies just because they sound like a kind of policy that you broadly support. I personally broadly support pro-density policies. But many specific policies that are proposed either have fatal flaws or are useless as long as a century worth of accumulated NIMBY policies exist that super-redundantly ban the sort of density increase that would actually be useful.
And to be clear, only allowing density increases without cars would be exactly the sort of nonsense restriction that would be a fatal flaw, at least in the US.
When I vote, I read up on the candidate’s positions. I make sure to do my research for decisions I make in the real world. When I’m on Lemmy? I’m going to stage a broad vague opinion because the level of nuance at play here is generally not attainable when not speaking about a specific local policy
That discussion tactic results in groupthink to a level that even coherent positions on the broad issues get obscured by conformance to factional stereotypes.
I think if someone is that unable to think critically, my comments on Lemmy are not going to have much impact. You don’t need to throw a thesaurus at me either, friend. I assume everyone I talk to on here is at least as smart as me or smarter, no need to prove anything. :-)