To all those wondering how this is legal: nowhere does it ask people to vote for Trump. The petition asks people to pledge their support for the Constitution, free speech, and the 2nd Amendment. Signing it does not indicate you are voting for Trump. But I could absolutely see the signatures being used for propaganda.
Shit sign me up! If Trump wins I get 100 dollars if he loses I get 100 dollars.
Wait is it really illegal for a billionaire to pay voters $100 from their own pocket for voters to sign a pledge? Even if the pledge was titled “so Trump wins”
Not sure if it is explicitly illegal but there would absolutely be lawsuits with good reason. Imagine a district where 51% of the people sign a pledge to vote for a candidate but the candidate only gets 47% of the vote and losses the election. The candidate with the pledged voters would scream voter fraud and their backers would likely get violent. Considering we had that happen with almost zero voter fraud in 2020, it would not be an unlikely scenario.
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I’m not the one who said doing what is in the article was illegal. I’m the one saying that it is not illegal. Sorry that I have not memorized the entirety of voting law. If you want a legal opinion, go search a fucking law blog. Law is generally not black and white but if you want the one referenced, it is 52 U.S. Code § 10307 section C:
© False information in registering or voting; penalties
Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both: Provided, however, That this provision shall be applicable only to general, special, or primary elections held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the United States Senate, Member of the United States House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, Guam, or the Virgin Islands, or Resident Commissioner of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.
So yes, if Musk was paying people to pledge to vote for Trump, it would be illegal and would be punished by up to five years in prison. Paying people to pledge support for free speech, the 2nd Amendment, and the Constitution would not be.
pretty fucking close to vote buying if you ask me
I’ll take his money and then not vote for Trump. It’s not like he can tell.
Honestly, I kinda hope he can tell. I’d love for there to be a paper trail of me accepting $100 from Elon and then voting for Harris. Hell, I’d put the money toward renting a highway billboard as close to the Tesla HQ as possible showing the receipts. Fuck him.
Get the money, donate to Harris
He can, though. In another post about Cards Against Humanity’s project, they explained how criminally easy it was to create a PAC, request and acquire voters information. They can see your registered voter information and who you’ve voted for in the past.
Edit: Someone corrected me that they can’t see exactly who people voted for, but, they can see party affiliation, and if you voted. Going by that data, they can assume you voted for the party you’re affiliated with.
Voting records don’t show whom you voted for. They do show party affiliation, which they can infer from.
Sorry, so they can see if you voted and party affiliation, and based on that, they are paying people more or less $, assuming affiliation to a party ment they voted for that party.
So which party are they paying the most? I’m assuming it’s only certain states
CAH are paying more to people who voted republican last election, only if they post on social media why they are voting democrat this time, and their plan to go out and vote.
I can’t find the page from a few weeks ago anymore though, apologize.lol links to a different page of Cards Against Humanity’s campaign where I can’t see the FAQ anymore.
Highly doubt Musk will pay, also hilarious that the reason is “to protect constitutional rights” when the person who he is endorsing has 0 integrity for that asides for freedom of his own speech…
The term you’re looking for is bribery.
The term is actually “electioneering.” And, he’s getting close to the illegal kind.
Isn’t that fucking illegal?
If it were for actual votes, yes. But this is money for signing that a petition a PAC Musk runs has created.
Jesus titty-fucking Christ. If someone like George Soros were paying people to vote for Harris, right-wingers would be losing their collective shit and flinging it at the moon.
The double standard is amazing.
They don’t care about truth, or consistency. They care about power. Specifically, the power of their in-group.
Conservatism has been aptly summarized as “There must be in-groups for the law to protect but not bind, and out-groups for the law to bind but not protect.” That’s pretty much the whole thing. Conservatives are, in a kind of fundamental way, bad people. They value the in-group far too much.
…which, at this point, makes it completely predictable.
I thought I remembered Michael Moore buying ramen and stuff to get students out to vote and he got in trouble for that. https://www.acslaw.org/?post_type=acsblog&p=1035
Turns out it was overturned or ignored, but didn’t stop republicans from whining.
The double standard is amazing.
“Yes, but I’m right.”
They think their collective belief in the correctness of their group identity is more important than law. This explains why right-wing politics doesn’t care about consequences.
Cards Against Humanity is doing this btw.
Clarification: CAH is taking advantage of the bullshit laws that allow Elon to do this
And not pocketing the money
Well yeah, but this a white guy doing it-- so you know…it just CAN’T be wrong!
can we sign up, take his money, and vote Harris?
if a million people do this it adds up fast
The petition is saying you support free speech, the second amendment, and the Constitution. You can certainly support all of those and vote for Harris.
That might make it easier for him to claim election fraud. He might try to argue about how the election results don’t match with the number of people who took his money.
Such a dumb argument but MAGA would 100% believe it and dash their lives against the US government to make it true.
Good thing it’s not a legal document and doesn’t prove any intent whatsoever.
the guy who famously never pays his vendors or his rent until he gets evicted is promising to send money?
wow sign me up…No water or other assistance for voters in contested areas.
Here’s $100 to say you like trump.
Man, this is a fucked up place.
No, say you like trump, sign this and that, …
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then maybe, I mean who knows right? Maybe get paid. Donald always pays his debts so why shouldn’t his helper do it too?
Right?
I really liked this line:
But it’s also possible that Musk is simply doing the rich guy thing—and the classic rich tech guy thing—of walking into a new situation and assuming all of his ideas are important.
What a chud.
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$100 ehh, I guess cards against humanity did get to him :D
and this is lawful? actually legal? What the hell is USA??
Rome 2.0
It’s legal because they’re paying for registrations not votes, you can’t see who someone voted for just that they voted and if they registered as a party member or independent.
It’s actually explicitly illegal to pay to get people to register to vote.
You’re right I’ll withdraw that, the law states to vote, withhold vote, vote for a candidate, or vote against a candidate
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597
Because the musk giveaway requires registration to be eligible makes it illegal, compared to the cards against humanity PAC as they are not saying they are only paying after confirming a registration or vote. Cah wants 3 things none of those are a check on registration or voting.
lol he will never deliver.
Give me the $100 first (completely and irrevocably non-retractable). After I (in my sole judgement and by my sole timeline) am 100% convinced it’s mine, then I’ll sign.
I’m going to slap the next person who tells me racism is over and everyone is treated equal.
How the hell is this even LEGAL? This is the state of our country? Really? Blatant bribing? Corruption? And it’s STILL a close race?
the fucker is basically telling how he is going to cause horrible damage to americas economy yet those people still want to vote him. I wonder if they just want to destroy their country so awful people can remake it into something terrible. If they succeed, soviets will win in the end, as didnt they blatantly gloat at some point how they will destroy america from within? This whole thing has been fueled by russia from the beginning after all.
Racism is over and everyone is treated equal.
Not you, only because you probably would enjoy it.
Seems racist…
You can tell capitalists are getting desperate when they start offering
brides… bribes … to voters during an electionEDIT: beautiful how a simple typo can grab people’s attention so much
This is showing how desperate they are which maybe they know something about Trump’s chances to avoid prison.
