Great, another article with a misleading headline, and when you read the article the crucial bit is in the last line, where its mentioned its likely an accidental discharge.
Seems like other news sources are mentioning this more explicitly.
Still shouldnt be waving guns around, or have them at all IMO, but thats no excuse for the poor framing of the article by the author.
Edit: I get it, we call them negligent discharges now. Doesnt change my point. This is not a random fit of murderous rage, its a mishandled firearm.
Can’t talk about how dangerous guns are though right.
This wasn’t “negligence” or “accidental”. He was deliberately pointing the gun at the individual. It wasn’t unintentionally pointed at him. It wasn’t accidentally pointed at him. The bullet didn’t unexpectedly ricochet off of something to hit the teen. He deliberately chose to point a gun at another person. That deliberate handling of the gun eliminates the possibility of “negligence”.
I don’t quite know how you didn’t, but you managed to piss off both gun owners and hoplophobes with that comment, and those groups can’t seem to agree on anything else.
Accidental discharge my ass, you don’t play with firearms you treat them as if they’re loaded and ready to go at all times BECAUSE LAZINESS KILLS PEOPLE.
An accidental discharge goes into the sky or the ground. This fucker was AIMING AT THE KIDS HEAD.
Sounds like BS. Everyone knows you only point a gun at something you intend to destroy, and you keep the safety on until you are absolutely sure. This guy did neither, he’s just lying at this point.
He intended to citizens arrest or something along those lines. He didnt intend to shoot though, which doesn’t change much, but I at least think an accident is different than on purpose.
Still guilty of something, and honestly wouldnt be too shocked if the charge was the same regardless.
If you point a gun at someone, you are trying to kill them…there is no other way of thinking about it or you end up like this guy. It’d be the same as me pushing a needle to my vein and going woopsie. I didn’t mean to get high. The needle only has one purpose to penetrate the vein. Same as a gun, it’s not a warning tool it’s not a citizen arrest tool it has one purpose to kill, that’s it.
I don’t think anyone outside of the US is going to care at all about this distinction. I know I don’t. Accidentally shooting someone because you’re an idiot with a gun is just another reason why people shouldn’t be allowed to own and carry guns.
This is not a random fit of murderous rage, its a mishandled firearm.
Drawing a gun is murderous because it suggests an intent to use it. If you don’t draw a gun, you don’t accidentally shoot someone. Words can solve a lot of problems. There’s really no need for violence and assuming it’s needed is flawed logic.
I agree with this morally. I think the law in america doesnt agree with that but I’m not a lawyer.
People open carry guns all over, including in ways that most would consider brandishing them.
I think the real takeaway from this shooting is that when accidents with guns happen, people can get hurt or die, and its impossible to make everyone accident less, so to even own one is inherently dangerous.
Because of that, you should have to have a real need to put that sort of danger on those around you.
Everytime this happens we have the same list of replies saying they were just a bad person with a gun, they should just allow good people to have guns. Funny how every single poster here is one of those good people based on their own analysis.
Depending on the state. In some states, you haven’t committed a crime until the weapon is discharged, and then not a seious one until it hits something important. But that can change based on the race and circumstances of the gunman. Most counties really don’t like black men carrying guns.
Are there states that actually code racism like that into law or does it just bear out with the statistics?
I only know my home state laws really, and its legal here to walk around with a rifle on your back. Although last time someone tried that in my town the police came and followed him for a few hours.
Ever since the civil rights movement and the overturn of the Jim Crow laws (and the establishment of the right to interracial marriage), laws to prevent gun ownership based on race (even by implication, such as based on neighborhood) have been successfully challenged, but that doesn’t stop the police rushing to escalation once it’s established a someone has a gun, and blacks are represented disproportionately in officer-involved homicide.
But I can’t say I have the data specifically regarding armed black suspects verses armed white suspects. Still if you’re black in Missouri or Mississippi (or Oakland, California – the US teems with a lot of racial-tension hot zones) then yes, the police are more likely to escalate a situation or shoot at you than if you are white, but that’s true regardless if you have a gun.
Also blacks are convicted of crimes, violent or otherwise, statistically more often than whites with less evidence, and are given harsher sentences than whites for the same crimes, and this includes possession of illegal firearms. I suspect it’s harder for nonwhites to get concealed-carry permits in states they are needed.
(My impression is no-one really likes open-carry in urban or suburban regions. Even here in California, there are rural towns where one could carry a rifle on their back, at least during hunting season, especially since the local economies depend on hunting tourism. So you’re not going to be bothered by the county sheriff along the California / Nevada border the way you would say, in the Bay Area.)
The killing of Philando Castile in 2016 serves as an example of what blacks fear. He was pulled over for a broken tail-light, announced he was armed to Officer Jeronimo Yanez of the St. Anthony PD. Yanez freaked out and shot Castile seven times, two of which penetrated his heart. (Of note is that in the last thirteen years, Castile had been pulled over 39 times in that area for broken tail-light type offenses.) Yanez was tried and acquitted. He was removed from that precinct but as far as we know Yanez is serving as law enforcement elsewhere.
I was mainly wondering if there were laws in some states that explicitly state some sort of racism in the letter of the law.
Thats not to say thats a requirement to believe the things you said, I just thought at the very least racist laws were more indirect in how they are racist.
Just to add on to your excellent point here, this is often outlined in many forms of training. Never draw if you don’t intend to use it. Brandishing is the stupidest shit possible.
Yes, please give me an example. Titles are supposed to be short and concise. The teen was shot in the face. The Title doesn’t say it was intentionally or accidentally.
Are you saying that the title should be a paragraph long and include all details in the article?
It should be designed to summarize the most relevant parts of the article. In this case its designed to get an emotional response, which is manipulation.
I will agree its not explicitly misleading, but there are better headlines for this story out there. Feel free to compare yourself.
Okay sure, I’ll try and remember the new term. The guy did still fuck up but he didnt get out in a homicidal rage and shoot someone in the face before even saying a word.
This is someone mishandling a gun who should know better because of their standing in the community, and I think a short prison term wouldnt be crazy for this.
You only point guns at things you want to destroy. This was completely avoidable. I knew guys kicked out of the army for negligent discharges that didn’t hit anything. Hitting someone in the face should be a lengthy prison term.
I agree, shouldnt matter if he hit him or not. We don’t know he even intended to point the gun at the people in the car though, if he apparently pulls his gun out with his finger wrapped around the trigger, then who’s to say he has a great understanding of what the guns pointing at.
Its far too easy to get a gun in America, its far too easy to mishandle guns, even if you are an expert, which means we are going to continue having this awful stuff happen in huge numbers.
Every poster in this post who has mentioned how to safely use a weapon has broken one of those rules at least once. They just haven’t killed someone yet.
its far too easy to mishandle guns, even if you are an expert
Every poster in this post who has mentioned how to safely use a weapon has broken one of those rules at least once.
Incorrect. Some of us were professionally trained to handle weapons safely. I’ve never violated a gun handling rule after I learned them. I think you’re projecting a bit.
If you violate the rules of gun handling then you shouldn’t be able to own or handle one.
she took a loaded gun out and pointed it at the windshield. it goes off. says it was an accidential discharge. you believe it. you go and type it on the internet.
Great, another article with a misleading headline, and when you read the article the crucial bit is in the last line, where its mentioned its likely an accidental discharge.
Seems like other news sources are mentioning this more explicitly.
Still shouldnt be waving guns around, or have them at all IMO, but thats no excuse for the poor framing of the article by the author.
Edit: I get it, we call them negligent discharges now. Doesnt change my point. This is not a random fit of murderous rage, its a mishandled firearm.
Can’t talk about how dangerous guns are though right.
This wasn’t “negligence” or “accidental”. He was deliberately pointing the gun at the individual. It wasn’t unintentionally pointed at him. It wasn’t accidentally pointed at him. The bullet didn’t unexpectedly ricochet off of something to hit the teen. He deliberately chose to point a gun at another person. That deliberate handling of the gun eliminates the possibility of “negligence”.
I don’t quite know how you didn’t, but you managed to piss off both gun owners and hoplophobes with that comment, and those groups can’t seem to agree on anything else.
HE AIMED HIS FIREARM AT A CHILD IN A VEHICLE.
Accidental discharge my ass, you don’t play with firearms you treat them as if they’re loaded and ready to go at all times BECAUSE LAZINESS KILLS PEOPLE.
An accidental discharge goes into the sky or the ground. This fucker was AIMING AT THE KIDS HEAD.
Sounds like BS. Everyone knows you only point a gun at something you intend to destroy, and you keep the safety on until you are absolutely sure. This guy did neither, he’s just lying at this point.
He intended to citizens arrest or something along those lines. He didnt intend to shoot though, which doesn’t change much, but I at least think an accident is different than on purpose.
Still guilty of something, and honestly wouldnt be too shocked if the charge was the same regardless.
Don’t fucking point a gun at anything you don’t intend to shoot.
If you point a gun at someone, you are trying to kill them…there is no other way of thinking about it or you end up like this guy. It’d be the same as me pushing a needle to my vein and going woopsie. I didn’t mean to get high. The needle only has one purpose to penetrate the vein. Same as a gun, it’s not a warning tool it’s not a citizen arrest tool it has one purpose to kill, that’s it.
I don’t think anyone outside of the US is going to care at all about this distinction. I know I don’t. Accidentally shooting someone because you’re an idiot with a gun is just another reason why people shouldn’t be allowed to own and carry guns.
Drawing a gun is murderous because it suggests an intent to use it. If you don’t draw a gun, you don’t accidentally shoot someone. Words can solve a lot of problems. There’s really no need for violence and assuming it’s needed is flawed logic.
I agree with this morally. I think the law in america doesnt agree with that but I’m not a lawyer.
People open carry guns all over, including in ways that most would consider brandishing them.
I think the real takeaway from this shooting is that when accidents with guns happen, people can get hurt or die, and its impossible to make everyone accident less, so to even own one is inherently dangerous.
Because of that, you should have to have a real need to put that sort of danger on those around you.
Everytime this happens we have the same list of replies saying they were just a bad person with a gun, they should just allow good people to have guns. Funny how every single poster here is one of those good people based on their own analysis.
Depending on the state. In some states, you haven’t committed a crime until the weapon is discharged, and then not a seious one until it hits something important. But that can change based on the race and circumstances of the gunman. Most counties really don’t like black men carrying guns.
Are there states that actually code racism like that into law or does it just bear out with the statistics?
I only know my home state laws really, and its legal here to walk around with a rifle on your back. Although last time someone tried that in my town the police came and followed him for a few hours.
Ever since the civil rights movement and the overturn of the Jim Crow laws (and the establishment of the right to interracial marriage), laws to prevent gun ownership based on race (even by implication, such as based on neighborhood) have been successfully challenged, but that doesn’t stop the police rushing to escalation once it’s established a someone has a gun, and blacks are represented disproportionately in officer-involved homicide.
But I can’t say I have the data specifically regarding armed black suspects verses armed white suspects. Still if you’re black in Missouri or Mississippi (or Oakland, California – the US teems with a lot of racial-tension hot zones) then yes, the police are more likely to escalate a situation or shoot at you than if you are white, but that’s true regardless if you have a gun.
Also blacks are convicted of crimes, violent or otherwise, statistically more often than whites with less evidence, and are given harsher sentences than whites for the same crimes, and this includes possession of illegal firearms. I suspect it’s harder for nonwhites to get concealed-carry permits in states they are needed.
(My impression is no-one really likes open-carry in urban or suburban regions. Even here in California, there are rural towns where one could carry a rifle on their back, at least during hunting season, especially since the local economies depend on hunting tourism. So you’re not going to be bothered by the county sheriff along the California / Nevada border the way you would say, in the Bay Area.)
The killing of Philando Castile in 2016 serves as an example of what blacks fear. He was pulled over for a broken tail-light, announced he was armed to Officer Jeronimo Yanez of the St. Anthony PD. Yanez freaked out and shot Castile seven times, two of which penetrated his heart. (Of note is that in the last thirteen years, Castile had been pulled over 39 times in that area for broken tail-light type offenses.) Yanez was tried and acquitted. He was removed from that precinct but as far as we know Yanez is serving as law enforcement elsewhere.
I see what you mean thats very insightful.
I was mainly wondering if there were laws in some states that explicitly state some sort of racism in the letter of the law.
Thats not to say thats a requirement to believe the things you said, I just thought at the very least racist laws were more indirect in how they are racist.
Just to add on to your excellent point here, this is often outlined in many forms of training. Never draw if you don’t intend to use it. Brandishing is the stupidest shit possible.
Brandishing a firearm when not in fear for your life is illegal.
How is it misleading? Shot in the face… that did happen.
When you leave stuff out, peoples brains fill in the blanks.
What did you expect the story would be about? And how many people in this thread posted stuff that was contradicted by the content of the article.
Do you want a better example of a headline?
Yes, please give me an example. Titles are supposed to be short and concise. The teen was shot in the face. The Title doesn’t say it was intentionally or accidentally.
Are you saying that the title should be a paragraph long and include all details in the article?
It should be designed to summarize the most relevant parts of the article. In this case its designed to get an emotional response, which is manipulation.
I will agree its not explicitly misleading, but there are better headlines for this story out there. Feel free to compare yourself.
Get the fuck outta here…
You can’t have it both ways is it misleading or not?
Accidental discharges don’t exist. They are called negligent discharges because guns don’t fire accidentally.
Okay sure, I’ll try and remember the new term. The guy did still fuck up but he didnt get out in a homicidal rage and shoot someone in the face before even saying a word.
This is someone mishandling a gun who should know better because of their standing in the community, and I think a short prison term wouldnt be crazy for this.
You only point guns at things you want to destroy. This was completely avoidable. I knew guys kicked out of the army for negligent discharges that didn’t hit anything. Hitting someone in the face should be a lengthy prison term.
I agree, shouldnt matter if he hit him or not. We don’t know he even intended to point the gun at the people in the car though, if he apparently pulls his gun out with his finger wrapped around the trigger, then who’s to say he has a great understanding of what the guns pointing at.
Its far too easy to get a gun in America, its far too easy to mishandle guns, even if you are an expert, which means we are going to continue having this awful stuff happen in huge numbers.
Every poster in this post who has mentioned how to safely use a weapon has broken one of those rules at least once. They just haven’t killed someone yet.
Incorrect. Some of us were professionally trained to handle weapons safely. I’ve never violated a gun handling rule after I learned them. I think you’re projecting a bit.
If you violate the rules of gun handling then you shouldn’t be able to own or handle one.
You just made a caveat I didnt. You mishandled a gun before in your life, by your own admission. You were lucky you didnt hurt someone or yourself.
This thinking we can be perfectly in control 100% of the time is why we have this problem to begin with.
I was taught the rules before I handled a gun. But nice try.
she took a loaded gun out and pointed it at the windshield. it goes off. says it was an accidential discharge. you believe it. you go and type it on the internet.
The victims said it. Like I said, still wrong, but different wrong. Nuance is dead to you people.
Oh and my favorite part is where pointing out details means I’m defending someone else.
The guy should go to prison for it. Does that make you happy?