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I am aware that this is one of those things that is so radically out of step with the media narrative that people will come in my comments and say “lol pure copium” “what on earth are you smoking to say something so wrong” “what you are DELUDED how can you even say something that is so RADICALLY DIFFERENT from what the New York Times assured me of”
All I can say is, you are welcome to. We don’t discriminate. Feel free to cite other polls including the ones that ask Trump voters as well as Biden voters whether Biden is too old to be president and other entertaining things other than who they’re going to vote for.
Also, yes, the debate was a pure horrifying shit show. So is getting convicted of 34 felonies, or electing the guy who wants to kill protestors and abolish the Department of Education, and contraception, and the EPA and NOAA, and ban teaching slavery, and a wide variety of other things that are literally too extreme to list without boring everyone and making me sound like a crazy person.
I can’t speak to polls, just myself, but I can’t vote for Biden – he seems borderline too old for the job now, it’d be painful to see an accelerated decline over the next four years.
Other people might be too old for that job at an earlier age, some at a later age; it’s a personal thing on how age effects a person and their abilities to do certain things. For him it’s getting past time.
And Trump is horrible for the reasons you list and more. Plus, if he gets in office removing him after is a worry.
I’ve always voted Democrat. I was for Bernie in 2016 and also wrote him in as a protest in 2020 (I was mad they made everyone bow-out at once and defer to Biden, and I recall thinking he was too old even then). Bernie is too old now even for throwing away my vote on another protest (he’s actually older than Biden, but again age vs. capabilities is a personal thing and even though he was looking good back in 2020, it feels wrong to vote for a guy in his 80s for a term no matter how good they seem.) I know that doesn’t matter because a write-in never wins, but I will always vote, and always vote for somebody I’d want for the job. I just can’t bring myself to vote ‘against’ somebody or feel I need to use my vote on one of the main people who actually have a chance to win. It’s just how I’m wired, and I don’t know how rare my broken thinking is, but I suspect it’s more common than most would guess.
So this time around, I don’t know. I hope someone else is there to vote for on top of Dem ticket instead of Biden, that’d probably be my pick no matter who it is. I might end up writing in Whitmer as a protest if not.
Just keep in mind that your protest vote effectively gives Trump a vote. His base might be stupid, but they do vote.
You can make that same argument about supporting a candidate like Biden, who has demonstrated an inability to win in this election cycle.
Whoooooooosh
Its funny cus’ your the one being wooshed here.
If you think this is even apples to oranges, you are part of the “left’s” problem. I don’t see much point in interacting with someone who essentially just tried to both-sides this.
Or alternatively by insisting on running a candidate that is polling in the low 30’s, its you, in your “Blue Maga” thinking, thats the problem.
Its not this false dilemma and a departure from a fact based reality that you’ve convinced yourself the situation to be. We can pursue other candidates; it doesn’t hurt the party to do so, it helps them, and we can still win this: just not with Joe Biden.
Your denial-ism around the reality of the environment around Joe Biden, has been and continues to be the singularly most destructive thing to the Democrats chances electorally. You and your thinking aren’t just a part of the problem: they’re the entire problem.
You should leave all leftist and democratic spaces and join the other cult members in the Donald camp, because thats about where you are at.
Ok then buddy. You know nothing of my politics, which is expected as we don’t know each other.
This is all unprecedented, no? The incumbent was always the presumptive nominee. This incumbent is about as healthy as a mallard with a cold. That instills confidence (/s). I really don’t like Joe Biden. If I’m being honest, I don’t care for any of them. But we work with what we got. And until there’s is a viable alternative, this is who we got. I don’t like it. I don’t support it. But I have to tolerate it, if it means keeping that traitorous piece of shit away from Capitol Hill.
Of everyone, I’d like to AOC give it a go. But she would lose, because we can’t have nice things.
This is the false premise. You are just fucking wrong on this point along with the rest of Blue Maga. Biden can and will be made to step down. A viable alternative doesn’t enter the conversation until Biden is off the stage and if you keep fucking insisting we don’t have other options, you are basically insisting we get Trump.
This narrative thats been being forced, that you are forcing right now, is why we’re in this fucked position. Because of an uncritical, naive, stupendously stupid support for a candidate who can-not win. You plugging your nose doesn’t change the fact that Biden can’t win. Promoting him as if he’s the only option when he never has been the only option is fundamental to why democrats are losing this election as bad a the y currently are.
You need to come to grips with the fact that Biden can’t win this, and that are only option is to pressure him out and seek an alternative at the convention. Pretending we can just “suck it up” and vote Biden is precisely fucking why we are losing right now. Come to grips with a fact base reality ffs.