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    If you don’t see how people are unable to vote for a Democratic party that is shamelessly supporting genocide you have a problem.

    Regardless of whether or not you are ok with actively voting for a staunch genocide supporter, you should be able to intellectually understand why people can’t approve the Democratic party’s unconditional genocide support.

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      And just to be clear, you understand the consequences of acting like a tantrum throwing child right?

      The party of “wipe them all out!”, and move the embassy to Jerusalem and recognize that as the Israeli capital runs the country then.

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        My neck is one of the first on the chopping block. Yes.

        It’s up to neoliberals to change their politics, if they don’t our democracy is fucked anyway. This is the one last chance to try and shock them into understanding how they’re failing.

        Rewarding Biden with a second term will reinforce that Democratic support for genocide is ok as long as they employ a pied piper strategy and help prop up extreme right-wing.

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          Rewarding Biden with a second term

          And what, exactly, is the other option? Third parties can’t win in FPTP. The DNC isn’t going to just suddenly pick Bernie, who isn’t even running. So you SAY you want change but your solution is to not vote for the lesser evil. This directly helps a fascist get into power.

          Ergo: you are a fascist supporter.

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      In a vacuum, what you’re saying makes sense. But the Democratic party doesn’t exist in a vacuum. You don’t have to approve of all of their actions or policies to recognize that the ONLY OTHER OPTION in this moment is a much greater evil.

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        Exactly. It’s almost like people don’t understand how party politics work. It’s always about holding your nose and voting for the least bad option. Very rarely is your ideal candidate even on a ballot. If everyone voted only for their ideal candidate, we’d have thousands on the ballot. Even in ranked choice you vote in order of preference but these clowns wouldn’t even put a rank to someone like Biden. They’d rather Trump supporters win.

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        Genocide is not excusable or justifiable. Ever. It’s not something that can be just handwaved away as “regretable”.

        If the Dems want to win elections they need to A) stop supporting genocide and B) Stop trying to force the pied piper strategy. It’s a political failure.

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      Ok?

      Go ahead and vote for the party that writes “finish them off” on bombs destined for Gaza, then? Or abstain, and get them elected, essentially the same?

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        I won’t be voting Republican. No.

        And no, it’s not the same. If it was, then a maga supporter could claim that my uncommitted vote is actually a vote for Biden because I didn’t vote for Trump. Time to give up on this talking point, it’s nonsensical.

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          I will give up this talking point the day the US doesn’t have a two-party system.

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            So Dems can literally do anything and you’ll support them. They support genocide and you accept that.

            Let me guess, if we just vote the technically lesser evil they’ll change this time, right? If we just elect one more corporate dem with lobby money falling out of their ass that’ll get the party to change direction, right?

            Just keep voting Republican-lite and one of these days the slide towards fascism will reverse, magically. It’s been working really well these last forty years, right? People have done exactly what you’re suggesting and things have just been getting better and better huh.

            Delusional. And all just to avoid having to face having your comfortable bubble of denial popped. All those Americans getting churned up and crushed by the consequences of your political support for do-nothing policy just need to understand that you’re doing ok in the status quo, so they need to understand it’s their obligation to protect you. They just gotta take a few more for the team