• spujb@lemmy.cafe
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    5 months ago

    More than two thirds of Florida adults consider climate change a threat to future generations and say state and local governments should do more to address it, according to a poll released Monday by Florida Atlantic University.

    The poll found 68 percent of respondents agreed with the statement that climate change “has them concerned about the well-being of future generations in Florida,” according to a news release from the university. Just 28 percent said state, county and city governments were doing enough to address it. source

    It’s not a self-inflicted wound. I am so tired of this misinformation for the sake of pithy humor. Recognize oppression when you see it or you are on the side of fascism.

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      Floridians are still voting Red in droved. Guess something else is more important to them at the polls.

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        They gotta ban abortion and ‘save’ all the fetuses first so they too can experience the horrors of global warming and climate change under the watchful eye of a theocratic dictatorship.

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          What n happens when all the fetuses are underwater? Will they save them then, or swim to higher ground?

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            If I understand their thinking it’d be God who caused the flooding so it’s okay if fetuses die that way. They were probably gay fetuses anyway and their mothers were probably sinners so God drowned them like in Noah’s story.

            Okay I’m done. My brain can’t handle typing anymore of that horrible bullshit.

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        Yes, because decades of gerrymandering, voter suppression, lobbying, political corruption and misinformation campaigns directed toward one of the most educationally underserved states has absolutely no effect on elections.

        What you are doing is usually termed victim blaming, so careful.

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          Be careful? Ease off the drama my man.

          77 percent voter turnout and 51 percent voted for Trump. At some point it just becomes a matter of infantalizing people.

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            infantalizing people.

            Did you miss

            one of the most educationally underserved states

            ?

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    Sea level rise of 5 meters isn’t happening in any of our lifetimes. Don’t get me wrong, climate change and its resulting sea level rise are very very real, but even the most dire forecasts don’t predict a 5 meter sea level rise in the next 100 years. Models of a high emissions scenario has the rise “only” going up 3.9 meters 126 years from now

    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-sea-level

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      A permanent rise, yes, but storm surges and stuff will make Miami uninhabitable far sooner than that.

      Miami elevation is 6 feet? Something like that?

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        True, good point, but the general idea still stands. It’s gonna be (I’m totally guessing here) like at least another 70 years before sea level rise + storm flooding events will make inland areas uninhabitable

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          It’ll be within the next ten years that it’ll get hit by a Katrina-like event.

          The models the ICC accepted were all “in line with historical data”. So much so that the “Hot Model Problem” became a known thing, models predicting climate change that were too hot for the ICC to accept.

          Our models are conservative, likely by a good margin.

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            If you read the link i posted you’ll see the numbers i quoted are already based on the worst case scenario of prediction ranges, rather than the scenario currently considered most likely. And your claim about a katrina level event happening there seems to be pulled out of nowhere, do you have a source citation for that prediction?

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      Sea level rise of 5 meters isn’t happening in any of our lifetimes.

      Report: 500K South Florida Homes at Risk of Storm Surge

      The newly released report highlights the Miami metro area’s mass exposure to coastal flooding risk from hurricanes.

      Often the deadliest element of a hurricane, surge waters from strong storms can rise 15 feet or more above the ordinary sea level, enveloping streets and buildings in coastal areas.

      The report found that roughly 7.7 million homes in hurricane-exposed regions in the U.S. are susceptible to storm surge flooding.

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        Then plant all the paper towels in a cool, moist, & bright environment. By the next morning, Hillary Clinton will have stolen all your guns.

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    Anyone on the florida coast knows it’s not sea rise alone that will get you.

    It’s hurricanes.

    I’m not on the coast, but let me tell you, the existential dread the last few seasons was real (and proven right with Ian), much less this upcoming season.

    Another underappreciated point: most people who live right on the coast now are snowbirds in giant mansions, who can very much afford to lose their vacation home to a hurricane. They don’t even live there most of the time.

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      There’s been talk about a category 6.

      Every year hurricane season starts earlier, they’re bigger, and they go up the coast further.

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        To be fair, they always seem to hit certainl places in certain months. West coast seems to mostly be later season, around the “I” storms.

        But yeah, not looking forward to this season.

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          The fact that the insurance industry is practically abandoning Florida is a real indicator, despite the noise around it being a hoax.

          We’re just about at the “It exists but it’s too late to do anything about it” stage.

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            What’s darkly amusing is how climate change is still too “politically sensitive” to talk about, like it’s some big controversial moral argument. Even weather guys talking about hurricane season awkwardly dance around it.

            I understand why, I have family that still thinks its all an anti christian hoax… but still.

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      Not soon enough. I’d love to throw a biblical flood joke in there just to spite the book burners and bible thumpers.

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        true dat. i feel for the innocent people caught in the middle though, but i was under the impression it wouldnt take that long for a damaging rise in sea levels.

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    If we had a functioning government in the US, this could be less of a problem. I wonder how we get one of those?

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    Yeah bro the same way Al Gore said within 10 years the Kilimanjaro would have no snow. Useful idiots

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      people like you will get used to snorkeling to get to the grocery store before they accept climate change is happening.

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      The glacial ice on Kilimanjaro has objectively been shrinking for the past century since we started measuring it.

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        The real question would be: was it also shrinking before?

        Because if the trend was already negative might not be related to human activities

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          How are you alive today in 2024 and are not aware that there are essentially no people who study the climate for a living who think that the Earth isn’t warming and humans are not the cause?

          Or is this one of those “I’m not going to listen to any dumb scienticificians when I have Jesus” arguments?

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            You are the only dogmatic one here

            I just posed a question, worth thinking about, and you answered with a dogma, which I am not allowed to dispute.

            I am not a denier, but I despise you climate Talibans like any other religious fanatic

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              i love that you think you posed a question you think no climatologist has thought about before.

              “yeah we’ve been studying this for decades and the climate is definitely warming and the CO2 levels are rising…”

              “well, could it be just a regular thing?”

              all scientists start looking at each other confused

              “uh… we didn’t check…”

              congratulations on being the first to ask questions.

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            Can you elaborate a bit?

            I know that some icers on the Alps have been shrinking since the last 120 years (more or less since we started measuring them) a bit too early IMO for humans to be the cause, yet the melting has significantly accelerated in the last 30-40 years (which is likely to be correlated to human activities)

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              Sure. We’ve taken ice cores out of glaciers that are super long. Basically there’s an isotope of Oxygen that strongly correlates to air temperatures that we can measure at different levels of the core. We know roughly how much ice gets deposited onto the glacier every year so we can extrapolate how long ago each layer was deposited and then measure that isotope to get an estimate of how warm it was that winter going back a few thousand years. Taking that data and combining it with modern temperature readings we can see a sharp uptick around the late 19th century where increased human greenhouse gas output begins.

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                But that’s about the local temperature of the year, it says nothing about the glaciers shrinking or expanding, also if glaciers are shrinking, wouldn’t we lose some readings? I mean if the glacier this year is smaller than last year, means that we have lost at least one year readings (most likely much more than that), not to mention that it contradicts that ice gets deposited every year.

                It is my understanding that glaciers expand and shrink seasonally every year, and lately the expansion (if any) is always smaller than the shrinking, but it is a trend that started more than 100y ago (basically since when we started keeping record) and has been accellerating, because of this how can you extrapolate when to start dating in reverse? If you never saw a the, let’s call it inflationary phase, how do you know when it reversed? The error might be small… or not

                Is there an error in my reasoning (or my assumptions)? Consider that I am not the only one having this doubts.

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                  Most of the glacial loss, especially on higher elevations, is from sublimation and not directly melting. That doesnt cause the loss of the measurable isotopes.

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      Useful idiots? Who’s the one buying the lies of the fossil fuel industry?

      Sounds like you’re the one being used.

      You rich? You better be. Otherwise leopards love faces.

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    I think if you’re in Florida, sell now and get out (sucks for whoever’s willing to buy). Not just the parts that will be submerged, get out of the whole place because the policies/insurance/laws/taxes are going to go absolutely nuts for the whole state.