Men having to listen to women and be confronted with reality and the harms their gender and society are actively causing is NOT pitting people against each other. Women don’t want to fight and ostracize men. They want to be safe FROM men.
If you see this discussion and feel defensive, that’s your brain trying to tell you something’s wrong and you should probably analyze why you feel like you are being attacked.
See, this is what I mean. Stupid arguments. We immediately go to pitting gender experiences against each other.
You’re not confronting reality when you compare men to animals. You’re literally projecting your insecurities onto me by assuming I’m defensive over this topic. I’m not defending either man or woman or bear in this argument. I’m saying this whole topic is a stupid hypothetical and all it does is lead people to argue, like you literally did with me. You’re not confronting reality by saying your safe with a bear, because reality is, you’ll never go be with a bear.
If you want to have a real discussion about the very real and serious harms that women have to deal with, I’m happy to discuss that. That’s a topic worth discussing. This isn’t that discussion. This is a bad faith hypothetical designed to frame a conversation against men for the sake of stirring more shit. And honestly this’ll be the last I engage with this thread because its really already consumed too much of my time.
I hope you understand, I’m not trying to fight or belittle your opinion or attack you. If you wanna frame this as me being defensive, that’s your prerogative, but I just found this whole question to be dumb when I first heard about it a few days ago, and this article just once again reinforced how dumb I found it.
Wanna be safe from men? Do it the same way men do. Be able to handle yourself when you need to and don’t worry about it the rest of the time. Women having to listen to men and be confronted with reality is not mansplaining.
How does “being able to handle yourself” apply when someone else has removed your ability to handle yourself with drugs or alcohol? How does it apply when your choices are “go along with it and try to escape later” or “fight back and probably lose because you have less muscle mass and are physically smaller than them”?
How does your argument apply when you are a teenage girl in high school being harassed by adult men? Reality is a very different place when the world perceives you as a woman (or girl), and your prescriptivist approach entirely fails to account for the fact that your perspective has a lot of blind spots in it.
Try defending yourself from all of society when a girl lies about you for rejecting her.
Are you not responsible for your own drinking? I avoid the hazard of bars by not going to them. I’m also pretty good about not dating total strangers.
Carry a gun. Obviously this doesn’t apply in the teenage girl scenario. I wanna say that you gotta protect your kids, but society’s structure straight up doesn’t let that be practical. Security is hard and young girls are desirable. Judging people’s character is also hard. Dangerous machiavellians can pretty well pretend they’re totally chill. IMO, the best security is surveillance, identification, and appropriate punishment which seems unavoidable. I personally fear the future of easy to fake evidence though. It’s not something that’ll hit me directly, but someone that the rich will employ against each other eventually resulting in all of leadership positions being occupied by the worst kinds of people.
Ever wonder how election by lottery might go? I seriously believe that any random person is more likely to make good legislation than the people who seek it out and fund their way in. I’m getting on a tangent now, so I’ll stop myself here.
Men having to listen to women and be confronted with reality and the harms their gender and society are actively causing is NOT pitting people against each other. Women don’t want to fight and ostracize men. They want to be safe FROM men.
If you see this discussion and feel defensive, that’s your brain trying to tell you something’s wrong and you should probably analyze why you feel like you are being attacked.
See, this is what I mean. Stupid arguments. We immediately go to pitting gender experiences against each other.
You’re not confronting reality when you compare men to animals. You’re literally projecting your insecurities onto me by assuming I’m defensive over this topic. I’m not defending either man or woman or bear in this argument. I’m saying this whole topic is a stupid hypothetical and all it does is lead people to argue, like you literally did with me. You’re not confronting reality by saying your safe with a bear, because reality is, you’ll never go be with a bear.
If you want to have a real discussion about the very real and serious harms that women have to deal with, I’m happy to discuss that. That’s a topic worth discussing. This isn’t that discussion. This is a bad faith hypothetical designed to frame a conversation against men for the sake of stirring more shit. And honestly this’ll be the last I engage with this thread because its really already consumed too much of my time.
I hope you understand, I’m not trying to fight or belittle your opinion or attack you. If you wanna frame this as me being defensive, that’s your prerogative, but I just found this whole question to be dumb when I first heard about it a few days ago, and this article just once again reinforced how dumb I found it.
You are conflating all men with the guilty.
You’re conflating what you think argument is with what the article was actually about.
“not all men!”
Enough men that most women would choose a fucking bear. Look in the mirror: you’re the problem.
Oh damn, am I?
What with my respecting women’s choices, supporting them and all that?
Do I need to go change everyone’s opinions or is just living my life, doing right, and treating people as equals enough?
Yeah, some of us get sick of hearing how men do this and men do that.
Well guess fucking what, I’m a man who doesn’t do all the bad shit, and still yet I hear about how men are bad.
Shit gets old quick.
Is any of this going to cause me to change my life and how I act?
Not even a bit, my principles don’t require anyone’s input.
It’s like how when men start talking about how all women are bitches, if I was a woman I would get straight pissed at that as well.
That is bullshit behavior no matter who is doing it.
Wanna be safe from men? Do it the same way men do. Be able to handle yourself when you need to and don’t worry about it the rest of the time. Women having to listen to men and be confronted with reality is not mansplaining.
How does “being able to handle yourself” apply when someone else has removed your ability to handle yourself with drugs or alcohol? How does it apply when your choices are “go along with it and try to escape later” or “fight back and probably lose because you have less muscle mass and are physically smaller than them”?
How does your argument apply when you are a teenage girl in high school being harassed by adult men? Reality is a very different place when the world perceives you as a woman (or girl), and your prescriptivist approach entirely fails to account for the fact that your perspective has a lot of blind spots in it.
Try defending yourself from all of society when a girl lies about you for rejecting her.
Are you not responsible for your own drinking? I avoid the hazard of bars by not going to them. I’m also pretty good about not dating total strangers.
Carry a gun. Obviously this doesn’t apply in the teenage girl scenario. I wanna say that you gotta protect your kids, but society’s structure straight up doesn’t let that be practical. Security is hard and young girls are desirable. Judging people’s character is also hard. Dangerous machiavellians can pretty well pretend they’re totally chill. IMO, the best security is surveillance, identification, and appropriate punishment which seems unavoidable. I personally fear the future of easy to fake evidence though. It’s not something that’ll hit me directly, but someone that the rich will employ against each other eventually resulting in all of leadership positions being occupied by the worst kinds of people.
Ever wonder how election by lottery might go? I seriously believe that any random person is more likely to make good legislation than the people who seek it out and fund their way in. I’m getting on a tangent now, so I’ll stop myself here.