• qooqie@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    Human life dictated by a machine on who to kill. You need to be so fucking cold and evil to be okay with this.

    Not only is it heinous it’s also obvious this is just a testing ground for it. Think about it, a testing ground that the test is how many you can kill using AI. We need an amendment to the Geneva convention

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      Even if you got US and Israel to sign it, Russia, China and The Saudis would never.

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          I actually have no idea who sold what in this case and it’s actually not even remotely relevant since the discussion was about updating the Geneva convention and who wouldn’t sign.

          However, you seem to imply that Israel lacks the knowledge and resources to create the Lavender system themselves. Intriguing! Please elaborate with some links supporting your claims.

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            7 months ago

            Nah mate, I’m quietly suggesting that the US arms Israel to the teeth to preserve US interests, influence, and economic strength. They ain’t going to do anything that rocks that boat.

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    Ai is trained on input data, and if their input data is on past idf strikes then it’s no fucking wonder they’ve killed so many journalists.

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      7 months ago
      ClassCastException: Cannot cast null to Boolean
      

      Beep boop beep. Wirrrr. Targeting backup test data due to failure in main subroutine. Target acquired.

      targets.add(civilians).add(aid workers).add(journalists)

      Brrr beeep boop bop

  • hark@lemmy.world
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    The machine didn’t do anything. They built a targeting “AI” that is trained on bullshit data, which likely doesn’t distinguish between Hamas targets and civilians, but it’s ultimately these genocidal bastards who decide when to kill and they choose to do so far more often than not. They’re throwing the “AI” buzzword in to add a layer of abstraction between themselves and the genocide they’re perpetrating.

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        7 months ago

        Right so because they aren’t obvious in a crowd it’s better to murder the whole crowd? Are kids Hamas? Cuz there’s a whole lot of murdered kids on Israel’s hands.

        Sound logic my guy

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          Maybe not, but why people ask only to Israel to respect internations laws and the Geneva convention ? The Geneva convention has a series of stipulations and one of them said explicitly that if you don’t respect it for your enemy you loose the right to invoke it for yourself.

          So, Hamas openly ignore any international law and openly admitted it (Hamas leaders said that they use their civilians as shields to the scope to have everyone pressure Israel) but somehow Israel is the bad guy.

          Man, I don’t like it, I think it is very sad and nasty, but the more time pass the more I am thinking that all this is the application of the “they fucked around then they found out” applied to the Gazan civilians. Israel left Gaza years ago (10 ? 15?), they had the possibility to elect their government and they choose Hamas, which has in its constitution to destroy Israel, they let Hamas to steal all the international aids. Now they are in the situation to be used as human shield by the same people they elected. Maybe it they wanted to live in peace, they should have choose more wisely…

          BTW, I am old enough to remember Palestinian women and children to celebrate the attack on the twin towers back in 2001, so maybe they are not really as innocent as they want to be seen from the others.

        • gian @lemmy.grys.it
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          Man, do you people realize that if Israel really wanted to commit a genocide then Gaza would have been erased from the map many years ago, right ?

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        You’ll soon see that nuance is dead on Lemmy. Hamas indubitably commits war crimes en masse, as does the IDF, but morons will only ever excuse those of Hamas, rather than condemning both sets of actions.

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          I think nuance goes out the door when tens of thousands of innocent civilians are butchered in the name of defense. Hamas is bad, that doesn’t excuse Israel’s actions.

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            I don’t agree. Neither the IDF nor Hamas fall under Geneva Convention (GC) protections because both have brazenly and repeatedly contravened it, thus excluding themselves under the GC’s own stipulations. They are both doing sick shit and are both lending more fuel to each other’s propaganda fires.

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    It sounds sinister until you remember that Hamas wipes it’s ass with the Geneva convention and regularly disguises fighters as civilians.

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    Being a terrorist should be incredibly dangerous. Terrorists shouldn’t feel safe anywhere, especially not at home. No sympathy from me.

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        Not that Hamas is doing a great job to separate itself from their own civilans.

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          So a terrorist organization hiding among the population makes carpet bombing the city and committing Genocide acceptable?

          Israel has been under attack for 50+ years and its citizens attack constantly. They had the moral high ground of saints.

          But since October they have gone full Nazi on the Palestinians. They are trying to wipe Gaza down to the bed rock and EVERY human in it.

          I don’t believe one justifies the other.

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      The vast majority killed aren’t terrorists. Just yesterday, Israel killed seven World Kitchen humanitarian aid workers in their World Kitchen labeled cars that were authorized by Israel to be there. Three cars, targeted one after another, all bombed. The tops of the cars had the logo so they wouldn’t be bombed.

      The IDF is a terrorist organization

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      Agreed. Israeli “Defence” Forces soldiers should not feel safe anywhere, hence the endless resistance from Palestinians.

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      Israel is a terrorist state, allied to Azerbaijan, a terrorist state, both openly engaging in terrorist activities. Yet their soldiers and other state agents feel themselves very safe.

      Considering that, what Hamas did was horrible, but no Israeli has the right to complain. If Israelis want to have human rights, they shouldn’t be complicit and approving of genocide.