Since I need to run a few apps that won’t work on LineageOS (because dumb developer security stance), I need to buy a “regular” android device that includes all the google “services”.
Ideally, it should be a cheap second-hand phone that will still receive security updates for a long time.
Are there bands that are better (well, “less worse”) than others from a privacy perspective?
I would personally go with the pixel line, as they just have the google spyware, and not 3 other companies spyware installed on top of Google spyware. Also they generally have decent security updates, and get them faster than most other brands, and then you have the option to switch to grapheneOS should you want too. They are also fairly affordable especially if you are getting them second hand.
I definitely second this. From what I’ve read, graphene’s sandboxed google services work a little more seamlessly compared to microg.
Edit: you might want to be careful with secondhand, though, regarding locked bootloaders. An unlocked bootloader is necessary and is NOT the same as “carrier unlocked”
Do you know how to access developer tools in Android/GrapheneOS to do that (lock/unlock bootloader)?
In settings - about phone, tap the build number tab at the bottom like 7(?) times. That’ll enable the developer section back in settings, and there’s a bootloader option there, OEM unlocking.
THANK-YOU!!! Ugh, couldn’t find that trick anywhere. Prolly should have YouTubed it a long time ago 😮💨
No problem, glad I could help!
Do you know why someone might have a problem with using Fdroid. Use to be able to use it but now it will never download or install updates and I can’t install anything anymore. Its got me really puzzling how to walk things back to where I used to be able to
Had it too. Uninstalling and reinstalling fixed it for me.
I’m not really sure, apart from fdroid needing permission to install apps. I don’t use fdroid, at least not directly. Most of my apps are installed through obtainium.
I had bad luck and ended up with a Pixel 2 that was carrier unlocked, appeared to have an unlocked bootloader but was some special Verizon version that did not allow flashing. Fuck you, Verizon.
Yuuup, Verizon is exactly what I was getting at lol. They seem to be the most common refurb/second hand devices.
Swappa.com is a good place to get a second hand one
I’d say Fairphone is less worse than e.g. Samsung or other big companies from a privacy perspective. Their phones are also promised long support cycle, meaning software updates as well as replacement parts, so buying used should be more viable than other brands. Although I believe they might be difficult to find if you’re not in Europe.
They are supposed to be available in the US and by proxy probably NA as a whole tho
Fairphone did launch in the US this year, with /e/OS I believe.
Fairphone 5 is coming in one week!
Pixels are your best bet. You could also flash GrapheneOS onto it ans use it with the Sandboxed Google Play Services
I highly recommend you use GrapheneOS with Sandboxed Google Play Services, nearly perfect compatibility and much more private and secure than any stock Android
Have you tried cloning the app and making adjustments to it? https://appcloner.app/
Are there better brands?
Probably. I’ll echo the thoughts and opinions of others, sorry for the repeat.
Pixel phones will continue to receive updates (and GrapheneOS supports Pixels as long as Google supports them). If you go full tinfoil hat, you’ll see that there are people out there accusing Google of being an NSA partner and more.
Fairphone is a neat idea for reparability reasons. They also try to support their devices for a long time. But, they can be expensive for less than premium hardware.
Try to find devices that ship with very little bloatware:
- Nokia makes some cheap phones that might be tempting, but HMD Global (licence-holder for Nokia) has messed stuff up in the past. My Nokia 5.3, for example, received a bad update. What was bad? Well, if you tried to factory reset it bricked the phone. I did not read the forum before resetting my phone (https://community.phones.nokia.com/discussion/66312/warning-do-not-factory-reset-nokia-5-3-bricked-phone) so that cheap little guy didn’t even make it to year 2. Probably for the best as they were once accused of sharing data with [2 very large countries].
- Motorola, like Nokia, makes some cheaper devices. And, like Nokia, tends to ship with little to no bloatware. But, they are notorious for abandoning devices.
- Sony and Asus does not fall under the cheap category, unless you buy used.
If you really want to save, buy a broken phone and fix it. Rounded.com sells spare parts for different phones, so you could even find a phone for cheap and make it last using spare parts.
If you are rooted and the app doesn’t need any gapps, try hide prop config magisk module. (Some apps have fallbacks for gapps built in like Uber has OSM as fallback for gmaps in India atleast)
Fairphone.
