For reference (as per Wikipedia):

Any organization that designs a system (defined broadly) will produce a design whose structure is a copy of the organization’s communication structure.

— Melvin E. Conway

Imagine interpreting that as advice on how you should try to design things, lol.

Tbf, I think most of the post is just typical LinkedIn fluff, but I didn’t want to take the poor fellow out of context.

  • NotAnonymousAtAll@feddit.de
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    1 year ago

    Nowhere in that text does it say “managers are the real software architects”. What it does say is “what managers do affects software architecture”. Sure you can extrapolate that to delusions of grandeur, but if you take into account the explicit call for collaboration it is much more likely what was meant is more along the lines of “we can mess things up if we ignore the architecture, so let’s talk to the real software architects before making org decisions”.

    About the comic: That one does have the line “management designs software architecture”, much closer to the negative interpretation; but that too can be interpreted in a more positive way as “… and we are not good at that, so let’s make sure to bring in the people who are good at it at important points”.

    • thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.caOP
      2·
      1 year ago

      Nowhere in that text does it say “managers are the real software architects”. What it does say is “what managers do affects software architecture”.

      Totally 👍I’d take it even a step further to say that he doesn’t even mention managers (or any other role) in the text-- It’s the comic that states that, as you say. It’s debatable to what extent the comic and the text should be read as one unit, but I think it’s fair to contextualize them together.

      If you’re right about the intent-- i.e. to say “let’s make sure to bring in the people who are good at architecture–” then I think at best, it’s poorly articulated. It’d an odd move to post a comic that elevates his role and then not mention those people at all, right? Instead, he makes vague calls to “collaborate” and “align,” which many people hear as “schedule meetings and do manager stuff,” and then imply that that’s how software gets architected, because… Conway’s Law?

      I still think it’s nice of you to try to interpret it charitably, though. I imagine if we shared this thread with this manager, he probably wouldn’t double down on how, no, really, Management are the real architects! He’d more likely pivot to echo much of what you’ve said, perhaps pretending that that was what he was saying all along.

      Then we’d be free to argue about Conway’s Law for the rest of the thread.