Green politicians from across Europe on Friday called on U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein to withdraw from the race for the White House and endorse Democrat Kamala Harris instead.
“We are clear that Kamala Harris is the only candidate who can block Donald Trump and his anti-democratic, authoritarian policies from the White House,” Green parties from countries including Germany, France, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Ireland, Estonia, Belgium, Spain, Poland and Ukraine said in a statement, which was shared with POLITICO ahead of publication
Haha they must be new to this, Jill Stein isn’t running for president, she is running to split the vote like they paid her to.
Fun fact: if jill wasnt on the ballot harris still wouldn’t have received my vote. Harris losing votes has nothing to do with jill being there. Harris’ struggles are purely her own fault, propaganda from Russia only works if there is a edge to grab, the only reason there is an edge to grab is because harris has decided to treat arab Americans absolutely horribly this entire campaign.
Learn to focus your energy properly: on changing Harris’ mind not the voters for whom preventing a genocide is important. Trust me it’ll be easier.
Who would have recieved your vote, if only Trump and Harris were on the ballot?
in my state? it would have been left empty. you know thats an option right. you can say ‘none of these’.
You’re not saying “none of these”, as it will ultimately still be one of them, more accurately you’re saying: “I’ll take either equally”
Incorrect. Did you ever learn about the monty hall problem? You seem to struggle with applying priors to a situation.
In my state the prior is: trump isnt even a blip of a possibility. We’re talking 0.00001% not a blip. Not gonna happen. Harris is literally the greater evil in my state. Go through my history.
Its going to suck in a few days if harris loses because you nits thought that throwing labor, arabs and other minorities under the proverbial bus was a winning strategy.
I don’t know about all that, I just enjoy logic. I’m replying to you saying “I’d choose not to vote”, that is not the same as saying “none of the above”, it’s the same as saying “any of the above”
and you’d be wrong. shrug you’re essentially saying anyone who doesn’t vote doesn’t have an preference. which is trivially incorrect. ask felons if they have a preference. ask teenagers.
if the prior is ‘harris will win’ me not voting for her isn’t a statement of ‘either’ its a statement of ‘I don’t need to support her shittiness’ you don’t get to assert what my preferences are certainly.
Oh! Oh I’ve seen this one in another thread!
“I wouldn’t vote for either of them.”
That’s not an option in this exercise, you have to pick one or the other.
“I don’t see why I’d have to choose. I pick neither.”
Again, that wasn’t the question. Harris or Trump are the only acceptable answers. If you have to choose one, which would it be?
That’s how the exchange generally went. It shone a really nice spotlight on the ridiculous mindset at play.
Hey look! you were right! I would choose neither. false dichotomy are not interesting questions. You’ll learn nothing from them since you know, they don’t represent reality. but in such a situation where only harris and trump were on the table. harris of course. but since that isn’t the case, and my vote in no way endangers the country to trump, but does allow me to point my reps and say ‘that could be my vote for you next cycle’ which I absolutely have done. my 3rd party vote is providing more value for my reps to push back on harris when they need to. particularly in defense of ms khan and gaza.
What do you mean when you say “my vote in no way endangers the country to Trump”?
Exactly what i said. Trumpet isnt even a blip of a possibility in my state. We’re talking 0.000001%. its pretty nice here we do good work.
Harris is the greater evil in my voting scenario. Its going to be very unfortunate if she loses this week to trump because the rank and file couldn’t be bothered to pressure her over something as little as not genociding but ug here we are.
I mean she has larger issues as a candidate but explaining those is 1000x harder than ‘genocide bad mmmmkay?’ and even that message is struggling to get through because trumpet has managed to make everyone absolutely insane.
I agree with a lot of what you just said there.
Just not your conclusion.
Does your vote not count in the national “popular vote” for some reason? With a race this … Whatever this is, don’t you think you’d want to give every possible advantage to the person that CAN defeat Trump? Especially somewhere that she is likely to win, aren’t you concerned many like-minded people will make the same mistake you are/did?
That’s kinda the playbook here. Each of you individually thinks “Harris will win this in my riding, so I’m allowed to be special and vote for a third party so I can feel good about myself!”
It’s literally why everyone is asking Jill to fuck off. She won’t leach any Trump supporters from him. But she will leach people like you from Harris.
It’s just selfish.
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Good. I was apart of the Green Party, I left when I learned they were planning of running a candidate this year, when internally, we were floating around the idea of NOT running a candidate.
That’s interesting insider info. Was the reason for not fielding a candidate because of this particular issue (splitting the vote)?
Why would ylu believe a rando on a forum post re: insider info?
Why would you assume I just believe them outright? I just said it was interesting and asked a follow up question to get more info.
Fair enough, cary on warning remains for others. :)
She won’t.
Of course she won’t. She is Putin’s puppet.
I never get tired of showing this photo.
meanwhile in the same universe. the cheney are as big of criminals as putin.
doesn’t bill clinton has photos with Epstein ? its not like she is hugging him like biden hugging netanyahu. maybe he was there to poison her ?
anyway people voting for her including me will write aoc rather than voting harris if there was no third option allowed. enough is enough.
Trump thanks you for your vote.
I forgot to ask you!
These are the four options in Indiana. No write-ins because you have to declare yourself a write-in and no one did. Who should Hoosiers vote for?
vote for the candidate that best fulfills your expectations as a president. i am against voting just for the lesser evil. there has to be a minimum requirement for whats acceptable else we are begging this corrupt system to shit on us as much as they want. here most of us are struggling to make ends meet and they are giving billions to murder poor people in other countries. and don’t stop there. boycott all brands involved in lobbying or supporting genocide, boycott any candidates taking superpac funding. boycott msm peddling bullshit while ignoring the real issues.
Unfortunately, USA doesn’t have ranked choice voting. So voting for someone who doesn’t have a chance of winning is basically the same as throwing away your vote.
Months and months of “don’t vote for Biden” and then “don’t vote for Harris” and then suddenly when the people like you who have been saying that are presented with the harsh reality that choices really are limited, are saying “vote for who you want.”
Amazing.
vote for the candidate that best fulfills your expectations as a president. i am against voting just for the lesser evil.
what part of it you don’t get ?
harsh reality of what ? that we have to vote just blue unconditionally ? cool live in this delusion, but those fed up with dnc impostering are only going to become more determined with this current toxic campaign. the only thing other than “trump this stein that” we get from them is launching video games or snl shithousery.
so again vote for the candidate that worthy of presidency else we are only lowering the bar each election and soon will have someone worse than trump forced on us by dnc.
Of course .ml is gonna say this shit.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/06/jill-stein-says-nothing-happened-at-her-dinner-with-putin/ https://www.newsweek.com/jill-stein-ties-vladimir-putin-explained-1842620 I’ll never get tired of posting this in response.
You get that nothing had to happen at the dinner, right? That’s not how networking works.
Okay, then prove that something happened. I’m not the one implying she’s some sort of Russian asset with 0 evidence beyond a photo. That’s you.
I don’t have to prove anything happened. She was put at a dinner table with Putin in Moscow. Something that only happens if Putin finds you useful. He doesn’t sit at random tables and strike up conversations with whoever he finds.
You put the rest together.
Your evidence for Jill Stein being bribed by Putin in her sitting next to a German ambassador at a table, and Putin sitting down in a seat at the other side of the table?
The Democrat misinformation campaign is in full swing here.
Want to upvote your comment, but you’re at 69… Dilemma
It’s only a dilemma if you’re 12.
Isn’t it too late for it to matter? At this point, she’s on the ballots that she’s on, isn’t she?
Especially for states like Oregon that are primarily vote by mail. I already have my ballot, and Stein withdrawing won’t keep people from voting for her
Yes, her name is already on the ballots, like RFK Jr is still on the ballots in many states, but the hope is her supporters will listen to her endorsement. Just because a person’s name is on the ballot doesn’t force people to vote for that person. Some people have voted already, some will continue to vote for her out of protest, some will continue to vote for her because they didn’t hear she dropped out or didn’t care. But the hope is enough people will hear that she dropped out and endorsed Harris that their votes will come through for Harris.
What a shit show, honestly.
You’re assuming we voted for jill because shes jill. Which is not the case for everyone. She got my vote because of Harris’ absolutely abysmal treatment of arabs and gaza, her lack of pro labor policies, etc etc etc.
Jill dropping out would just meant the vote went to a different non-trump candidate or left blank.
The only way harris would have gotten my vote was if she modified her position on gaza, or another key issues like ensuring kahn was kept.
She declined to do so, so i declined to vote for her. 🤷 But harris will be fine my state is 20+ dem.
That’ll teach her! Way to go - you really stuck it to that horrible excuse of a candidate.
It’s not like she had better labor policies (or practices) than that other guy (or did she?)
It’s not like that other guy was (allegedly) working with an (alleged) war criminal to rebuff US efforts to make a ceasefire deal (or was he?)
And finally, it’s not like AIPAC can literally thumbs up or down damn near any politician in the US like Julius H. Fucking, Ceasar and an almost universal bloc of voters will carry out their direction. Oh, wait, they will.
The thing that pisses me off is that yeah, maybe she’s fine in Cali or Hawaii or wherever. But there’s gonna be a fuck of a lot more death and misery in the world if fascists get control of the United States in the form of Donald Trump, and in those few states that matter (because of the fucked up electoral college) that attitude , which I perceive as smug self-righteousness, could be the deciding factor.
That simple worldview, unburdened with the whole idea of “you can’t make change if you’re not elected” must really be comfortable.
But you sure showed Harris.
I’d love to expound on this thought, but I have a fussy infant daughter that needs attending. BTW, it would be really cool if she FUCKING DIDN’T have to grow up in some goddamned Handmaid’s Tale dystopia.
I agree it would be great if your daughter didnt grow up in such a dystopia. So tell me have you been emailing your critters to let them know to reverse course on gaza? Worker rights, (ala khan, health care etc?). Did you vote for harris in the prinary (rhetorical question obv)?
Gaza is such a low bar, ‘dont send weapons to a country genociding’ we even have laws already on the books for this. Harris wants to claim herself as law and order she can follow the fucking law.
Now as i said i live in 20+ state. My vote is literally wasted on harris. The best outcome we can get w/ harris is an absolute squeeker of a win. If she loses she has no one to blame but herself shes been getting told for months to reverse course on gaza. Biden has been getting told for a year. Their refusal is whats caused this.
Now ask yourself: would you vote for harris if she reversed course in gaza? If the answer is yes, then why havent you joined us in pressuring her? All it takes is a lie to pollsters, calls to your critters, and a willingness to reduce her win ratio in deep blue states. dont worry we’re not asking you to vote 3rd party in red/purple states. Vote harris in those places if you can, if you can’t no judgement its not your fault harris ran on these policies.
Whats more important is that we get every possible vote out down ballot. harris is secondary concern. What matters more is the house/senate. A harris win is essentially useless if we cant pass legislation. While a harris loss control of those chambers will be incredibly critical.
You want roe v wade codified, focus on local reps and congress critters, ballot measures. You’ll have more success.
I completely agree with your last two paragraphs. Regarding the rest, the other person that replied stated my thoughts in much more eloquent terms than I’m able at present.
Edit: regarding the electoral and electorate math: I noticed you didn’t touch the “Trump working the Netenyahu to block a ceasefire” (which would obliviate the need for bombs), “you can’t govern if you can’t win”, and “AIPAC” topics, but also seem to think that all of this is Harris’ fault or she has control of this.
correct. Harris will win my state regardless of my vote, hence its perfectly fine to vote with my distaste for her policies on labor and genocide. harris’ problems lie in other states.
As for trump and a ceasefire. I didn’t think I needed to; Unless harris literally does that one thing she has so far committed to not doing, enforcing US law on weapon shipments to countries committing war crimes, Netenyahu will continue to do what hes currently doing make any ceasefire agreement DOA making the two admins immaterially different in terms of outcomes.
Yeah so the message so far has been carte Blanche vote third party. None of the nuance you’re displaying here is evident in 99% of these 3rd party posts. They’re all “genocide BAD, vote 3rd party or you’re COMPLICIT!” so the message here isnt what you’re saying.
Secondly, applying your logic regarding wasted effort because your state is solid blue, telling others to write their congresspeople on the issue is equally useless. Throwing the onus on them is shortsighted. The, “what have YOU done” argument doesn’t really hold water with anyone, particularly when many people reside in a solid red or blue state
Finally, voting 3rd party sends “a” message after the election, not during, and no candidate ever looks back at the election results to ask Greenies why they didn’t vote for them. They do canvassing before and during, and quite frankly they have to walk a tightrope between courting lefties and every other single-issue voter. Imagine you’re running and you have Greenies yelling about genocide, women’s rights yelling about bodily autonomy, and LGBTQ folks yelling about equality and all three don’t give a flying fuck about the others. What would you do? Exactly what Harris is doing - courting the biggest blocs of voters.
I’m not gonna touch on the general laziness of my compatriots, but when I went to early vote at my precinct there were a lot of people voting straight ticket, so I don’t think most people will dig through ballots to send that message. Frankly, Trump in power means nothing for down ballot votes because he still installs a fascist regime.
sounds like you think voting is a wasted effort in general. 🤷
They’re all “genocide BAD, vote 3rd party or you’re COMPLICIT!” so the message here isnt what you’re saying.
Genocide is bad, and we are complicit when we vote for harris currently. but thats because people are happy to vote for her mindlessly. not because the people trying to get her to shift are wrong.
Finally, voting 3rd party sends “a” message after the election
Oh I’ve been pestering my reps all year on gaza. and I continued to do so up through casting my ballot mid month in october. I’m just also able to happily follow through given the electoral makeup of my state.
Imagine you’re running and you have Greenies yelling about genocide, women’s rights yelling about bodily autonomy, and LGBTQ folks yelling about equality and all three don’t give a flying fuck about the others. What would you do? Exactly what Harris is doing - courting the biggest blocs of voters.
Well first off I’d recognize that most people are very happy not to support a genocide. and that maybe an administration with historically low approval isn’t a good model for success. zionists are not the majority of jews. many are perfectly happy if we withheld aid to israel based on our laws. if I was running Id happily point out israel is in violation of american laws and as soon as they begin complying and stop murdering innocents they’ll get their weapons back. So what we have here is a minority group (arabs) vs a minority of another minority group (zionists). in most states the loss of zionists wouldn’t tick the needle materially.
LGBTQ+ are well justified and I’d support them; just as I’d support anyone seeking personal freedoms protections that dont infringe on others rights.
Women are more than welcome to raise the banner over bodily autonomy as well they should. the government should have not be involved in decisions made between medical professionals and patients.
I certainly wouldn’t tell citizens to sit down I’m speaking, remove them from my rallies for no reason. I’d simply recognize the fact they’re there for a reason and make time for them as part of the schedule as long as they’re not too disruptive the rest of the evening.
You see, its fairly easy to differentiate oneself from harris’ behavior. I certainly would have given arab americans a voice at the DNC for example. they asked for one slot for christ sake. would have been a lot harder to nail harris to the wall if she wasn’t acting like a radical zionist on gaza.
Frankly, Trump in power means nothing for down ballot votes because he still installs a fascist regime.
it’d certainly be a problem, think maybe you can get harris to recognize her follies before its too late?
Sheesh, you’re a bit late, folks. Besides, Stein is in the race specifically for the purpose of helping Trump win, so she wouldn’t listen to them anyway.
I mean she has been running since 2012, are you saying that she has been a Trump plant this entire time?
If you are voting for Jill Stein it probably means that you have a distain for both political parties and want a candidate that’s not anointed without a primary to vet them AND you don’t want a authoritarian figure that will speed up our failing infrastructure and decline as a nation.
Trump has been running since 2016, so yeah, pretty close.
And frankly, even in 2012, her campaign has never been shy about taking help from the Republicans to spoil elections for the Democrats. Even if Stein isn’t an active collaborator with them, she is at best a useful idiot.
dnc is spreading this bullshit as they can’t give people any positive context to vote for them.
jill stein has been climate cause since 1998 when harris was prosecuting poor people for petty crimes and advocating prison labor to save money in a rich a fck state california. stein actually left dnc when they repealed the clean election law to kill any pro-climate candidates becoming a threat to them. unlike flip-floo harris she has always been consistent to her cause.
this is just dnc spreading misinformation with the superpac money, showing there just as disgusting as trump.
source for above : https://blackmeninamerica.com/jill-stein/
https://prospect.org/justice/how-kamala-harris-fought-to-keep-nonviolent-prisoners-locked-up/
It’s amazing how the spoiler effect propaganda from the DNC gets eaten up so easily by voters when a better system of rank choice voting would prevent the thing issue completely.
If the Democrats actually ran on these issues you stated seriously and were not so spinless they wouldn’t have to try to fight third party candidates from running in court to push subpar empty suit politicians through the finish line.
Even in their own party, centrist candidate Dean Phillips tried to run against Biden and he had a media blackout and was actively fighting the DNC while the power at be pushed Joe “just a stutter” Biden.
If Jill Stein is such a threat maybe don’t push the 81 year old incumbent on your base and with no primary to stress test his viability. Then when his brain shorts out during a debate and he drops THEY STILL don’t primary Kamala who’s 2020 run was absolutely destroyed the second people started listening to her word salad no answer bullshit get called out by Tulsi Gabard’s grifter ass.
superpacs love her because she has no spine to oppose them or if by some miracle she does then they will destroy her as she has no persona and a terrible track record for a democrat. she could easily have been trump’s vp specially with her now supporting wall and fracking. we might actually have war-prarasite liz cheney as sec of state to give the full gop feel along with most successfully done genocide with our support.
source: https://factcheck.afp.com/doc.afp.com.36G366E
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall
It wouldn’t be this close if Harris just came out against the genocide in Gaza. Instead she has shunned Arab and Muslim voters.
I am in Pennsylvania and I am voting for Jill Stein. Everything I could have done to communicate my grievances I have tried, including meeting with my representative who just insulted me instead of even feigning humanitarian concern.
It wouldn’t be this close if Harris just came out against the genocide in Gaza
You’re right. If she had done that, she would be losing and it wouldn’t even be close.
It wouldn’t be this close if Harris just came out against the genocide in Gaza
It’d be worse. Do you have any idea how much damage AIPAC would do? The majority of americans are siding with Israel. She’d get called a terrorist simp before she even finished her speech. It would be an unmitigated shit show.
I wish the american public was wiser, and recognizing how evil Israel is. But that’s not the world we live in.
European Greens must be dumb as fuck then, because the US Green party exists to:
Get
Republicans
Elected
Every
November
and republicans exist the dnc can put a boogeyman every election so we will have to vote for these corrupt scammers. our political system is so broken that we either get lobbyists controlled genocidal hacks or a dumb racist genocider.
its like asking to eat either dogpoop or vomited dogpoop
Remember when abortion was legal?
Still is federally
That’s news to a lot of women’s corpses in Alabama, Georgia, and Texas
Sounds like a alabama, Georgia, texas issue. Easily handled by the people in those states. Just like it has been in every other state. Harris isnt even the solution for abortion nationally, she even admitted this; she wouldn’t do anything differently than biden. Congressional dems are.
Learn to properly focus your energy.
You sound like someone who would have questioned the need for ending segregation because it “Sounds like a [Spanish Word For Black] problem to me!”
mmmmmm; probably would have been shot in the war fighting against it more honestly. let me know when harris can single handedly pass abortion rights on her own that the discussion can go somewhere. as I said the fastest route to protecting access is via state legislatures. hence why what 8 states have it on the ballot this year? would I prefer it federally? sure. sadly for you all my reps already support such a position and I doubt trump would block it if the bill passed. but since such a bill won’t pass congress shrug.
Its not a compelling reason by itself to vote for harris; since you know… she can’t single handedly make it happen.
Why can’t a Democrat with a lot of money ask her what it would cost
Cuz Putin can outbid all democratic politicians put together
ah if only they could also ask harris to tell israel to stop bombing medical supplies and food for kids. i mean israel is going to say fook off to us anyway to us. but just issue a statement. is that too much too ask ? they can still kill any kids and civilians they can get their hands on but atleast don’t let them starve to death ?
the extent of indecency of both campaigns. god i hope there is a hell in afterlife.
seems like you eat up the propaganda full spoon
are her own interviews also propaganda ?
if they get cut up so the context and meaning changes, then yes of course. What, were you born yesterday?
what’s the propaganda here ? that israel is not a genocidal apartheid state which has been sponsoring settler terrorism for decades but are now systemically murdering civilians and any journalists covering their warcrimes ?
None of that would happen if they hadn’t been terrorized first.
now you are the one spreading propaganda here. israeli settlers have been butchering people for more than 70 years. idf is full of scum who have been murdering people living there for centuries to take their lands. israel provides weapon & spyware to most brutal dictators around the world. they rig elections and bribe politicians in america to continue their terrorism with our money and protection.
they are the most vile terrorist country in the world.
you are a terrible human likely part of israeli propaganda but providing links for others who reach here.
here is one from their own newspaper: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/reservist-eulogized-for-desire-to-take-revenge-against-gazans-setting-home-on-fire-to-boost-morale/
this pos had already killed someone in westbank before his kids and wife before oct 7. anyone really believes idf full of slime like this aren’t murdering civilians even kids the moment they see.
here are openly bragging about murdering pregnant women and kids : https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/israel-condemns-soldiers-t-shirts-depict-shooting-arabs/
thsi has been ongoing since 1948: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjTxDYtNhno
It’s not propaganda to point out the fact that no Israel invasion into Gaza would be happening now if there hadn’t been those horrible attacks by Hamas beforehand. It’s actio-reactio, with Hamas throwing the first punch. I’m not saying Israel has reacted in a measured manner, but then again it’s a reaction to an action. But who am I kidding, you’re a link posting foaming at the mouth internet warrior, no common sense will wake you up from your bubble, just like Trump supporters.
Why does she need to do this before the election? They can just form a coalition after the election if Kamala doesn’t win
This is to elect the President. In a presidential system, as in the US, you choose the leader of the executive portion of government separately from the legislative leader. In a parliamentary system, as many countries in Europe use, the public doesn’t choose the leader of the executive portion of government. Instead, they just vote for representatives in the legislative portion, and then those legislators form a coalition (if necessary) and choose a leader of the executive (the prime minister). The closest analog to coalition forming in the presidential election is doing exactly what the Greens are proposing above – having a candidate drop out and endorse another, with the hopes that they can sway their supporters. It’s basically what JFK Jr did, for example, with Trump.
While hypothetically the US could form legislative coalitions, in practice, due to the way the US electoral system works, US parties are essentially equivalent to electoral coalitions in parliamentary systems already – we already form “big tent” parties necessary to control a house. In the US, the closest analog to this sort of thing actually happening after the elections is when you hear about something like “an independent legislator who caucuses with the Democrats”. The US also has weak party discipline compared to many countries in Europe, so legislators are much less constrained to vote along party lines anyway.
Different systems, function kinda differently.
But I keep hearing how the American system isn’t democratic since you don’t directly vote for the president, you vote for some middle person who promises to vote for your president? Those people might not be members of the parliment but they can still form coalitions after the fact by voting for who has a chance to win
If Stein is fantastically successful, beyond her wildest dreams, and got 15% of the vote she will win zero electors (the intermediaries that then make the official vote for president). They’re awarded winner take all for each state, and there’s no conceivable way she reaches a plurality anywhere. But if she takes those 15% disproportionately from people who would have otherwise voted for Harris, she could very much make it so Trump wins a plurality and gets all the electors for a state. The structure of the first-past-the-post system always devolves into two parties being viable, and any third parties can only practically influence the outcome in the votes they take away.
Some states are proportional for pres. (Maine Nebraska)
They aren’t proportional. They’re winner take all but at the district level as opposed to the state level.
That’s not a bad point. We consider what Maine and Nebraska have implemented as proportional, but it isn’t truly. It’s a better system than WTA, but it still essentially nullifies a significant number of votes.
districts tend to be proportional but whatever, at that distinction its immaterial to the discussion.
No they don’t. Just having smaller units you take-all in doesn’t make something proportional. Proportionality means that minority vote totals result in a proportional number of seats, but getting 25% everywhere still gets you zero seats. Jill Stein, in her maximum success, will not win a single district.
a post I made earlier:
If Harris loses California, New York, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Hawaii, Vermont, DC, or Maine-1 because of vote-splitting by Stein, it will be Harris’s fault. If you’re voting in these states, you might as well vote your heart.
The Green party isn’t a party worth anyone’s heart. It’s all a big grift funded by conservatives that only puts any effort into the scammy presidential run. I don’t want more of that, I want progressives that challenge moderate Democrats in safe seats to give people a real option to move left.
I’m in Hawaii, and we’re solid blue but last election the Greens had a whole of 2 candidates across the entire state. Some random party I’d never heard of had more candidates on the ballot. My state rep won with something like 2000 votes, no Green challenger in sight. If the Greens were a real party they’d jump on that opportunity. A little sweat and door knocking can pull off 2000 votes. Hell, we have Ed fucking Case in Congress. I’d kill to vote against him, but my only other option is a MAGA conspiracy theorist.
The GPUSA isn’t a real party.
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Howard Gresham Hawkins III[1][2] (born December 8, 1952) is an American trade unionist, environmental activist, and perennial candidate from New York. A co-founder of the Green Party of the United States, Hawkins was the party’s presidential nominee in the 2020 presidential election. His ideological platform includes enacting an eco-socialist version of the Green New Deal—which he first proposed in 2010—and building a viable, independent working-class political and social movement in opposition to the country’s two major political parties, and capitalism in general.[3]
wp:2024 United States presidential election in Hawaii#Results
Apparently RFK, Jr isn’t on the Hawaiian ballot, though your state has write-ins.
slim pickings here:
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however,
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Aloha ʻĀina
Jonathan Hoomanawanui
6453 votes
2.37%
The Aloha ʻĀina Party (Hawaiian for “love of the land”) is a political party in the US state of Hawaiʻi that advocates for the Hawaiian sovereignty movement and the promotion of Native Hawaiian culture.[1][2]
The fuck…?
See this is your issue assuming we give a shit about jill or the green party. 😂
We dont. it was just a convenient box to tick because harris’ campaign tried to remove her from the ballot, and fed their bullhorns the line about splitting the ticket. The vote would still have been cast for a different third party candidate unless Harris’ position was corrected. It wasnt so the box gets ticked away.
Learn to properly focus your political energy: its much easier to get harris to flip than getting a million voters who have morals to flip.
So unless you want what is happening in gaza: learn to lie to your politicians.
- Tell them you’ll vote third party over x.
- Follow through if you’re in a deep blue state.
- Hedge your bet by voting Democrats down ballot.
- Always lie to pollsters about your intent for any given candidate. The less reliable polls are the better. Means your letters to your politicians are more important.
Are you saying that if Stein dropped out, her supporters would have voted for De la Cruz?
possibly. cruz is a little bit too nutty. might have also left the presidential ticket empty. I probably would have gone the latter route. jill was just amusing due to the harris campaign trying to get her rejected from ballots.
Learn to read:
The Green party isn’t a party worth anyone’s heart.
You don’t counter this with “we don’t really care about the Green party”. Go repeat your argument somewhere that makes sense. I don’t care about the 5D chess you think you’re playing.
I’m sorry you made an assumption about what jill stein represents to people like me who checked that box knowing full well who she is, what she represents and that it made your entire argument fall flat. 🤷
Its not my fault you don’t get why harris is a shit candidate. we’ve been warning you for months now. thats why harris is struggling. not because of anything jill has done. I certainly didn’t make the democrats try to ban jill from ballots. now she just represents a convenient protest vote. if harris loses in the next 5ish days after the ballots finish being counted, well it certainly will be unfortunate. I’m 🤞 she doesn’t but we tried to get her to change her policies before it was too late.
Jill Stein is funded by Russia. Every multicellular organism knows this by now.
I might be more tempted to believe this if I wasn’t regularly accused of the same thing by every Democrat on Lemmy.
Type fast! Before long you’ll have to ship out to the front lines with you NK allies. Planting sunflowers is harder work than typing nonsense from your desk.
I’m not Russian.
You lie.
It holds a little more weight when you’ve been photographed at a formal dinner alongside every single Russian head of state.
But these accusations don’t even make sense.
Why would Putin benefit from having a Russian plant as the presidential candidate of the Green Party? Does he mistakenly think the Green Party has some influence in American politics?
And how could he known his plant would be selected by the party as their presidential candidate? Is he psychic? Is the entire Green Party comprised of Russian plants?
If his goal was for the Greens to be a spoiler for the Dems, surely they’d be just as much of a spoiler no matter who their candidate was. In fact, without Stein, they could probably find a better candidate and be more of a spoiler.
I’m not worried about Stein being a Russian plant because it literally would make no difference to anything.
Why would Putin benefit from having a Russian plant as the presidential candidate of the Green Party? Does he mistakenly think the Green Party has some influence in American politics?
They aren’t intended to win, they’re intended to do exactly what they’re doing - selecting particular wedge issues to split the Democrat vote and give them a lower total percentage vs Republicans, the other main player. In this case the Green Party was originally set up to champion environmental issues, hence their name, but have also been a convenient shunt for the Israel/Palestine situation and Harris’ percieved refusal to budge on such.
Everyone involved knows that a third party has no realistic chance of victory in the US, so setting up a third-party honeypot to gather passionate far-left voters away from the Democrat vote is a potent power move for the Republican party. Every percent point lost by the Democrats is one gained for the Republicans, even if the point doesn’t go to them. With margins as thin as they usually are, this is significant. Putin in particular cares about this because Trump is vocally friendly towards him and Democrats and their voters are not.
And how could he known his plant would be selected by the party as their presidential candidate? Is he psychic? Is the entire Green Party comprised of Russian plants?
I can’t find proof of this with a cursory web search, but it’s suspected that the entire Green Party is primarily funded via Russian interests. If nothing else it is known factually that Jill Stein has attended at least one private dinner with Russian heads of state and has appeared on Russian state media propaganda quite a lot. I doubt the entire party is a Russian op but significant portions of its leadership including candidate Stein are pretty clearly compromised.
If his goal was for the Greens to be a spoiler for the Dems, surely they’d be just as much of a spoiler no matter who their candidate was. In fact, without Stein, they could probably find a better candidate and be more of a spoiler.
Personally I feel that Stein may just be more who they got rather than who they wanted, and this may be where the plan is starting to fall apart. A truly passionate, honest far-left firecracker candidate probably would be an excellent spoiler, and pull many honest far-left votes, but they also wouldn’t be susceptible to foreign influence. They’re choosing to take the bird in the hand, rather than two in the bush, and Stein is who they’ve got that they can control.
At the end of the day Putin has a very clear motive to help Trump win his election at all costs and the leadership of the Green Party has been shown to have been in close contact with Moscow. It may not matter materially whether or not she is a Russian plant at this time. But it does matter because it is yet another avenue for hostile foreign interference with our election.
They aren’t intended to win, they’re intended to do exactly what they’re doing - selecting particular wedge issues to split the Democrat vote and give them a lower total percentage vs Republicans
But surely that would happen even if someone else like Cornel West was the Greens leader.
All Putin achieves by (somehow) installing his plant as the Greens presidential candidate is lowering the Greens’ vote share by preventing them from getting the most charismatic and effective candidate.
If Putin really did subvert the Greens’ selection mechanism and install a less popular candidate with limited appeal, the Democrats should be thanking him.
any proof ? and are we to ignore the dnc has significant funding from aipac to enable them to murder kids with our tax money ?
GEnOcIdE!!! Whatabout!!!
It will ve a nice place when you all leave by tuesday.
Oh wait, maybe you’ll be back whining about voter fraud
Its not what about to mention harris’ policy position on gaza its extremely relevant to Harris’ campaign in particular to the nonsense being spouted here.
Only one person had to shift to be less of a shit human and that was harris and this issue would have disappeared immediately. Learn to properly focus your energy. To help you with this process let me give you a breakdown of choices you as an individual had:
- Which is easier changing the mind of a politician who has flipped on a number of issues? Or a million individuals in a country of 300?
- Which argument is easier to make? Support a genocide? Or dont support a genocide?
- You should vote? Or you should vote for my particular candidate?
Notice how you’ve decided to pick the harder of literally every single option?
Harris will flip on a dime on gaza if you stop wasting your breath defending her and switch your efforts to criticizing her. No one is asking you to vote for trump. Hell look through my history its always: ‘if you’re in deep blue voting 3rd party is a okay, if you’re purple harris is your best option, but not your only one’
You dont need to be this worked up over harris if she loses to trump its her fault for running a terrible campaign using terrible policy positions. She had an entire year of warning over gaza and she chose to swing right on her policies, alienating a large swath of her base.
This is such a backward comment I don’t know where to start. Tortured logic, the fact that voting 3rd party doesn’t send the specific message you’re looking to send, or perhaps that it’s all Harris’ fault that she lost while ignoring everything about outside election interference including Stein’s ties to Russia and conservatives all in one post. Bonus points for projecting that a large death of her base cares solely about Gaza and would be willing to suffer fascism instead.
Can’t wait until these astroturfing accounts are retired after the election.
Never said it sent a specific message. It sends one message: you didnt get this vote. I sent the specific message weeks ago, daily for 3 weeks to harris, and my local critters. This post is to counteract the nonsense spread about voting for the lesser evil and to give people an option to opt out of supporting harris without endangering a trump win.
The message here for you is: jill stein doesn’t matter. Learn to focus your efforts productively. Its easier to influence one person (harris) than it is a million (people like me).
Please reread my post in particular the 3 decisions your making atm and realize how absolutely useless your efforts will be here. Atm all you’re doing is broadcasting to everyone your okay supporting a genocidal candidate.
Again if Harris loses thats her fault. Not mine, not yours. She chose how her campaign is run, what messages are delivered, etc.
Also please watch this interview. Thinking these accounts are all astroturfing is going to hurt you more than me if harris loses. My state already has legal protections for all the things people are trying to use to defend Harris’ monstrous policy positions. They’re not effective arguments to vote for harris in my deep blue state.
“Take a look at this video, which should convince all of you that trying to convince individuals is a failing effort.”
Do you even read what you post?
The way these people salivate over Trump hurting people who vote for Stein, I think they’re all bloodthirsty enough to want genocide. But keeping fighting the good fight. Just know that if Harris wins, we’ll keep having to pressure her after the election just as if she was Trump, and probably without the help of the rest of these liberals as they go back to brunch and wanting to ignore politics.
EDIT: I’m not voting for Stein myself but I see why people are, and I think their existence is overall good, because it keeps you all and the people in power from getting too comfortable with the fact that we’re doing a genocide.
Just know if Trump wins, you very well might not get that option.
Oh I’m 100% aware I’ll have to keep pressuring her after the election. its annoying as fuck doing the leg work for these dweebs.
Yarp, and still voted for her because harris is that bad and hasnt shifted at on key issues that actually relate to the role of president. Like supporting labor (kahn, no strike busting, etc) and follwing the law with respect to weapon sales/delivery.
Focus your energy on getting harris to move, its a lot easier than getting people like me to move; we actually have moral values, harris doesnt. Though at this point its unlikely there are many hold outs waiting for her. Cast my ballot a week ago. Good luck in your efforts! Im rooting for you 🤷
At least you are not worried about all the extra people in the world that will get hurt by your reactionary stance leading to a trump presidency. If you can’t have your way, let the world burn… Gotcha.
In this case you either vote against actual fascism or risk it taking over.
If you can’t have your way, let the world burn… Gotcha.
That is literally the rationale for lots of people. I’ve heard it spoken verbatim, and heck, when I was young and stupid, I said it myself. It’ll hasten the collapse and move us more quickly toward a glorious new future!
trump isn’t winning my state; can’t do much more to help you there mate. I’m sorry harris is running such a shit campaign she’s struggling against fucking trump.
but threats need to be backed up by action or they’re toothless, just look at how netanyahu has ignored biden.
“My moral values allow me to vote against my best interests and the welfare of anyone who doesn’t align with the christofascist right. I have such a difficult time with concepts like “logical thinking” and “cause and effect” that I can rationalize such a terrible decision and even pretend that I’m the solution!”
against my best interest? my best interests are in trump not winning. which is assured in my state. its not necessarily harris winning. so my best interests are in assuring there is enough pressure on harris post election and part of that is making sure my critters know votes will be lost for them in the future for israel.
As predicted, rationalization.
Mmm yes people explaining their reasoning is so horrible. :) its almost like you cant justify shit and only have pithy lesser evil nonsense to justify your support for a shit candidate. 🤷
First step to not having lesser evil candidates: dont support genocides. Wild i know. Maybe you should try it?
Is it hard to type with Putin’s dick in your mouth?
no, why would it be his cock is so tiny it doesn’t obstruct my view of the screen at all. poor thing.
No
People really need to stop assuming every Stein voter is a stolen Harris vote. I’d rather stay home than vote for Harris.
I suspect the actual pushback is to prevent the Greens from reaching the 5% voter threshold, and making them a more viable party.
This is you. You’re the middle path. It’s the scenic route to the worst outcome.
now redo the meme with harris at lever and put not sucking up to lobbyists & mim in the first track. we shouldn’t even be debating about this as requirement to be worthy of being a president.
Now do the same for the only other viable candidate in this election.
dnc made him viable because they are corrupt hacks who many people have begin despising after being betrayed by them repeatedly. obama got the most one sided victory in last few decades including many red states. but now they have magically became racist ? or is that they hate dnc and voting trump out of spite & anger. or just voting 3rd party or sitting it out. a reason why many minorities are not going to vote for harris.
i always remember this clip from wire whenever harris start bullshiting on camera
Nah, chief. There are only two viable candidates in most of our presidential elections due to how the system is set up.
But keep making shit up and spewing nonsense for the next few days. Momma always said “stick with what you’re good at.”
thats some very solid advice you get there, what was i thinking not following the system. germans solved so many problems following the system.
You need a few more rail forks downstream represent the groups getting protected by local governments. Which is the reality many states.
Which also allows you to make more informed decisions.
Everyone gets downvoted from time to time. In this case the reason is that you’re pro Trump. Perhaps not in philosophy but certainly in action. Which is all that matters.
By that logic, Kamala Harris is pro-Trump for her actions driving away voters.
My favorite bit here is looking at down/up vote ratios and translating that to the upper bound on the worst case scenario for harris.
Too bad they just noticed she’s a stooge.
