• Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
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      Is that why you helped the fascist win? Cause that’s a better option?

      You Americans refuse to take personal responsibility for your lack of duty and apathy. And you really don’t get it

      My only hope is you morons stay where you are and reap what you sow, instead of coming to my country and infecting us with your toxicity

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        Who are you saying helped the fascists win? The democratic party courted war criminals like dick cheney, claimed that genocide must be carried out, and immediately insisted we run even further to the right after losing the election. Are these the ones you think are defending us from fascism? I suppose it’s the leftists’ fault for wanting to promote popular progressive policies instead of pretending everything is fine?

        I would be interested in knowing which country you’re from since the neoliberal-fascism tag team seems to be running globally and I would be interested in knowing where this isn’t happening.

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    This is a weird meme. The Democrats actively tried to court suburban white voters and other traditionally right-Leaning demographics. They tried to peel Republicans off. The democrats never offered socialists a cup labeled “liberalism”, they offered “moderate republicans” a cup labeled “Border Control and Bush era political icons” and they said “Bro. I already told you I will only ever vote for Republicans”.

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      > Democrats: Run most leftist administration in the history of the country

      > Democrats: Pass law after law and EO after EO that are a wishlist of progressive and leftist policies

      > Democrats: Put officers from the most famous leftist movement in a century in high and visible positions of power in the government

      > Leftists online: We never get anything by voting for Democrats they have betrayed us and move to the right constantly

      TBH, it’s long past time for the Democratic Party to actually start ignoring the fringe left and work for the American people.

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        Despite all the Biden administrations achievements, they still haven’t addressed what the left has been asking for over the last decade.

        Stop supporting the war in Gaza? Nah.

        Single-payer healthcare system? Nuh uh.

        Housing crisis relief? If you’re good… maybe.

        Courts and criminal justice reform? Lol.

        Billionaire tax? Nope.

        Livable minimum wage? Psh.

        Legalize marijuana? Hah! No.

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          How many of those could be done with the amount of control the Dems have had in the past 8 years? They had full control of the government with the barest of majorities for 2 years with 2 senators that were basically liberal Republicans. You got Gaza, but besides that the rest require Congressional action. While in control they did get the biggest investment in green energy ever, they did get substantial increases for infrastructure (including public transport), and they substantially increased the amount of tech that will be made in the US.

          Why didn’t you get those things done? Because you didn’t have the power to do it, just like Dems didn’t.

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            You are about to find out just how much and how fast Republicans get things done when they have all three branches, as opposed to the Dems who are ALWAYS held up by just one vote from their own party or “the parliamentarian”.

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      need this comment pinned to the top of .world for the next months

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    It’s good to see the old socialism vs liberalism appear again after the US-election. Cycles are a bit out of order lately.

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      Democrats and moderates are blaming leftists because they believe that because of their stances on Gaza and other issues that leftists didn’t vote for them. They are unable to reflect on why they actually lost and don’t realize the thousand plus issues with their own party so they are working overtime to try and shift the blame. They created the most unappealing campaign since Clinton and independents didn’t show up or actively voted against her.

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    Yeah seriously, if there’s a single thing we’ve learned from this whole election, is that the best thing for the left is to enforce absolute ideological purity!

    We must not tolerate any unorthodoxy! Better to abstain than anything!

    It’s like you want to take this loss and make the lessons permanent…

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      I love how anything outside of what the democratic party wants to do is labelled “ideological purity” even though democrats endlessly shriek at anyone who does not toe the democratic party line. Democrats had their way, again, and lost, again. How about we try something new instead of democrats constantly trying to appeal to fascists while pretending to be the only thing to stand against fascism?

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    “I like center-left policies”

    “I like my policies further to the left”

    “Aight let’s fight and make sure as few people as possible vote”

    Meanwhile, the conservatives are laughing all the way to the bank.

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    Genuinely clueless and wanting to understand here

    What’s the difference between liberalism and leftism? My understanding of them is very nebulous and there’s a lot of overlap

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      Liberalism is the ideology of capitalism.

      In the US, socialism has historically been shunned and not represented in the political sphere, to the point that the right started using “liberal” derisively and associated the term with socialism. Internationally, the term retains more of its original meaning, for example, in the UK the “Liberal Democrats,” are more like libertarians.

      Liberals are generally conservative, meaning they support the status quo or gradual change. US “conservatives” are sometimes more accurately called reactionaries or regressives, because they don’t just want to preserve the status quo but to actively roll back progress that has already been made.

      Because leftism is a very broad term, it’s difficult to define exactly what leftists believe in an uncontroversial way, but generally speaking leftists support radical change away from capitalism.

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      Fucking too true.

      Argued till I was blue in the face right here on Lemmy about sitting out and voting third party. The entire time I was thinking those who are fine with Trump must either be stupid or privileged so as not to be as affected by his bullshit.

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        You’ll be blue in the face 'til the end of time, 'cuz you’re still trying to blame the electorate for the failures of the party. Your conception of how voting works is so backwards you think that the party is owed the allegiance of the people rather than the people being owed the faithful representation of their interests regardless of who is in power.

        “The Democrats can’t fail, they can only be failed!” That’s you. That’s what you sound like.

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          And I wish I had a million dollars. It’s just not reality.

          People should be smart enough to work backward from a foregone conclusion: We’re getting the Dem or Rep nominee. Picking the best of your two options is logical. Anything else is wishing. Grow up.

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            There’s no “wishing” going on here. I’m explaining how your concept of voting has cause and effect reversed and you’re pretending that it’s “wishes” instead of basic political literacy.

            People should be smart enough to work backward from a foregone conclusion: We’re getting the Dem or Rep nominee.

            Not if the voters vote for someone else. You’re only assuming that the two major parties are inevitable because you’re drinking their kool-aid.

            If they can’t convince people to vote for them then they lose. It’s on them to convince us, but you’ve already decided that they don’t need to because they’re owed your vote. You have deliberately rejected your civic duty to the nation in favor of blind obedience to the party just like Washington warned us about.

            Grow up.

            You first.

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              Damn that’s crazy because here’s me before the election telling the future. How in the world did I perform this feat? Do I have amazing powers of precognition?

              Again, you’re telling us what you’d wish would happen. I was telling them what would happen.

              What’s more is this is a concept that both the GOP and their voters understand. It’s why the GOP funds campaigns like Stein and gets others like RFK Jr. to bow out. Everyone who doesn’t understand this should be deeply embarrassed to misunderstand something about the US election system that Donald fucking Trump understands. And he dumb as shit.

              See you in 4 years when the next president is the Dem or Rep nominee. *holds hands at temples, activating powers of foresight*

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    This is why you idiots lost. Nobody was leftists enough for anyone and everyone was the enemy. Allies on the same side, instead of standing against fascism started calling each other Nazis. I’ve never seen so much bigotry, intolerance and even racism out of the left like I saw this election. And against each other! All cause we don’t fully agree with each other.

    Meanwhile the right was unified and laughing at you. Congrats, the American left proves to be stupider than Maga. The right will continue to be unified as the left splinters into micro groups who hate each other.