• archchan@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    The Ad Algorithm

    It knows when you are sleeping It knows when you’re awake It knows when you’ve been bad or good So consume for goodness sake

    Fuck this.

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      nodding off? time for a bright ad with super saturation and lots of brightness variability, they’ll strobe you into paying attention.

      how much do you have to pay to turn the fucking thing off?

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          Shouldn’t be that far away from them in the first place if you actually cared.

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            This is fucking hilarious. Do you know that sometimes, people go elsewhere for economic opportunities? Then they bring their children after they get settled in?

            Sometimes they go back, and leave the children there.

            Do you think those kids should be stranded?

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                sometimes people don’t want to live in the middle of nowhere forever. not many engineering jobs there. we all want economic mobility too

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                  The ultimate quest for wealth is worth destroying the planet.

                  Also vast majority of people take planes for leisure, I’m sure we can deal without them. People used to travel the world in sail boats and they still managed to get where they wanted to go.

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    For those of you contemplating ways of covering up the ads:

    This is the same airline that beat the shit out of that doctor because the airline overbooked the flight. For your own safety, do not cross this airline.

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      Overbooking should be a mandatory minimum compensation of the greater of 1000x the ticket price or $20k. It’s a truly fucked up practice to disrespect people’s time like that.

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      The Chicago Department of Aviation did that. The same way if the police ends up killing someone, it was not the person calling the police.

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        United was booting passengers to make room for employee transfers though, the situation was shit before dept of aviation even got the call.

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          Those employees could have stood. Frontier and Spirit give vouchers out when they intentionally overbook…which before the pandemic was everyday. If nobody takes the bait, they up the voucher value. For them it’s essentially monopoly money.

          If United couldn’t get anybody to bite at the vouchers, then the employees should have stood the whole flight. Instead, they beat a man who was not fighting back physically. He only insisted that he get to his patient. They LITERALLY dragged him off the plane. By his ankle, as he tried to grab onto anything he could.

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            If United couldn’t get anybody to bite at the vouchers, then the employees should have stood the whole flight.

            Yeah, that is not a solution. The FAA is salivating at the thought of this. Everyone must have a seat for takeoff and landing.

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          Sure, but telling someone to leave their plane for some oddball reason is “only bad” not outright crazy like what happened then.

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        it was not the person calling the police.

        At this point anyone calling the police in the US is a necessary accomplice, and guilty of conspiracy to commit murder, aggravated battery, and probably several other crimes.

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        “If you don’t like it don’t fly”

        Seriously just shut up.

        Edit: LMAO just saw your other comment where you actually said this sincerely. You’re a parody of yourself.

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        Have you ever turned a screen off on one of these planes? They turn back on. So you turn them off again. Sooner or later, they turn back on. And repeat.

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          I have. It usually stays off until they rig the cabin for final approach. Comes back on for landing but hey, whatever?

          I’m getting beaten up for my stance here, but seriously: if all it takes to put you over is some midflight ads the do the rest of us a favor and don’t fly. Take a train or whatever.

          Y’all are acting like they’re gonna strap us down and tape our eyes open like that Alex Whasisname kid in A Clockwork Orange. I assure you that doesn’t happen for another 22 years in this timeline (give or take).

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            People like you constantly give corporations an inch because “it’s not a big deal” and here we are.

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            I don’t think you’re being beaten up for it. I certainly am not beating you up for it. But usually, yeah, the screen does come back on during the flight. I think they turn it back on automatically every time there’s an announcement. As somebody who finds screens like that very distracting and even migraine-inducing (the “busyness” of that sort of thing is a big trigger), it’s really frustrating.

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            I honestly couldn’t care less how many adverts they show me, they can have a constant stream of adverts the whole flight if it means that some shitty corporation is paying a portion of my travel coats.

            People really need to grow up about stuff like this, if you don’t want adverts then pay for a premium service - I’m poor, I’ll accept the adverts.

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              Here’s the thing: companies have learned they can add ads to make additional money without passing any of that on to their customers.

              If you think you’re going to get a better rate for having ads, you’re fooling yourself. They’ll always charge as much as they can get people to pay and that amount isn’t affected by ads most of the time.

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              That money isn’t subsidizing your flight cost, it’s increasing corporate profits.

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    Remember when the assholes at United overbooked a flight and sent someone to knock a doctor’s teeth out and carry him off a plane? The doctor refused since he was on his way to oversee the opening of a clinic he founded for veterans.

    He and his wife started the clinic as a way to thank American servicemen and women, because he was plucked out of ocean waters by the U.S. Navy as he fled communism in his home country of Vietnam about 44 years ago, he said.

    Fuck United Airlines.

    https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/story/doctor-dragged-off-united-airlines-flight-watching-viral-62250271

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      United will kill your dog, bust up your guitar, and knock down and drag out your doctor. They’ve made the headlines for all three of those. And the guitar guy made a song about United.

      Unfortunately, the other airlines aren’t much better.

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    This should count as violation of human rights. You’re chained to the seat for hours and have no other option than look at this screen or force your eyes closed. Holy shit, people should get really mad. Flashing ads on a screen you don’t look at directly are still very annoying, even if you look on your phone.

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      I need to start a business selling rectangular shaped covers for these displays. I’ll even make one that serves as a holder for an iPad, so you can substitute your own screen.

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        I fold the flight safety manual and hang it over the screen with a tab, inserted into the folding gap above the screen.

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        In my experience, that’s only temporary. The screen will always wake up again on United flights.

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                  Y’all behave like they put a gun up to your head and force you to watch them ads lmao.

                  It’s mental how the simple thought of maybe do something else than watch the ads is met with such hostility lmao.

                  You know what doesn’t have ads (yet, anyway)? Mother fucking books.

                  You know what you can take on a plane with you? A mother fucking book.

                  Read a book.

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    “I’m sorry ma’am but could you please remove your jacket from the seat? It’s obstructing the ads and we have a very clear policy about that”

    🙃

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      To begin the flight, please drink Mountain Dew Verification Can.

      Verification Can Invalid. Please drink Mountain Dew Verification Can.

      ERROR! Passenger attempting to steal Premium Ad-less Flying Option! Adding your name to the No Fly List and automatically deducting penalty fee from your credit card.

      ERROR! Credit Card Declined! Alerting TSA! Alerting FBI! Alerting Sky Marshals!

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      They could come up with some bullshit like, obstructing your screen is interfering with the display of critical airplane safety information or something.

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    Targeted, individualized, advertising should be illegal. This will gut a lot of the motivations for the privacy invasions and data harvesting. This is how advertising worked for thousands of years. I think it could continue to be just fine.

    The amount of resources humanity is spending on targeted advertising is extremely depressing when you consider the opportunity cost. There are thousands of engineers and product managers that spend all day on this stuff instead of anything useful.

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    Airline passengers should have confidence that their personal information is not being shared improperly with third parties […]

    So they are only shared properly with third parties? Great!

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      They do and I won’t argue that point. It would fly in the face of everything I have seen. Multiple times I have flown on planes based in 3rd world countries to other 3rd world countries and each and every time it was a more pleasant experience than flying domestic in the US. I mean the whole thing. From being dropped off to the airport, to security, to food in the airport, to the comfort levels of the chairs, to the amount of leg room. All of it was better, all of it.

      Plus our border is terrible as well. Last year took my family abroad and when we got back to the US my six year old put her little backpack on the scanner too quickly for the Border Guard liking. So the big manly tough guy screamed at my six year old. She proceeded to cry. I wanted to sock him across the face but not as much as I want to avoid a 20 year prison sentence. Next time I will go all Karen and write a letter to go in his file with his badge number. It will make me feel better but fix nothing.

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      Yup.

      My last flight a year ago was so bad I’m just going to drive from now on. I don’t care if I have to take an extra day of PTO.

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      Psssshhhhh, you won’t see them. It’s a 3 hour plane ride where you have no responsibilities, surrounded by people that by this point in the day you already can’t stand.

      At that age, you’re telling me you WON’T fall asleep???

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        “At that age”

        Buddy, how old do you think people are when they’re supposed to start checking for prostate cancer?

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    And I’m sure this in no way will invade people’s privacy.

    “Hmm, why is the anti-queer politician sitting next to me being served dozens of male underwear ads? Hmmmm…”

    “Why is my daughter receiving ads for newborn diapers? Hmmm…”

    “Why is my neighbor receiving ads for anger management? Hmmm…”

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    The thing I hate is that all these airline screens usually default to “on”, and people tend to leave defaults. I’m a tall person, and can usually see a large number of the screens in front of me. So if I’m on a night flight, even if I don’t intend to sleep, the only way to not be blinded by dozens of ads for a few hours is to bring a sleep mask.

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      I feel so bad for tall people on planes. It’s uncomfortable AF for all of us, but you guys have to become human origami just to sit. It’s insane that this shit is legal. I avoid flying as much as possible.

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        I’m tall and fat it’s a double whammy. Granted one I’ve done to myself, luckily I generally only fly with my wife so I can get the isle seat to stretch

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        Also, ths taller you are, the more likely you are to be seriously injured in severe turbulence, malfunctions, minor crashes and major crashes.

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    What’s the ROI on ads anyway? I feel like ads are just a way to funnel money between corps. People who are forced to see ads are really not even the point anymore. This is like corporations subsidizing other corporations. Don’t even matter that you buy that item being shown to you.

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      I always wondered this too.

      Found a website saying Youtube adviews are $100-300 per 10k (ad views, not video views). That’s 1-3¢ per view. If we assume an ad is 10seconds, then your time is worth 0.1-0.3¢ per second, or $3.60-10.80 per hour.

      An A380 looks to be 380-615 seats. I’d imagine they’re more often optimising for space, so let’s say 550.

      Long haul flight, 10% of people at any time using inflight stuff, 8 hours, 4 ads per hour = 5500.18*4 ads watched. 1760 ads. There will be a massive premium for planes, but surely only one order of magnitude more (e.g. 10x). That’s equivalent to give or take 20k YouTube adviews which would be $200-600 per flight.

      There are a lot of planes in the sky every single day though…

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        The thing is, it’s only a ROI if any of those passengers converts to a buyer. The act of seeing an ad creates no value for the manufacturer unless they are converted to a buyer. What you are describing is a market that has the consumer (ad watcher) almost completely removed from the conversion of capital. Being forced to watch an ad, in this case, only benefits the airline by their receiving ad revenue. The passengers are nearly supflourous.