If a topic keeps coming up no matter how much you try to censor it, consider that it’s not going away. Some changes are long overdue.
Q: How do you know someone is vegan?
A: Don’t worry, they’ll tell you.
Vegans = fascists of the food world. Follow my diet or I will harass you.
That is not a good technique to sway people’s attitudes
If I use a technique that you approve of, will you stop abusing animals?
No, due to my medical issues. Not everyone can eat the same diet. We should reduce our wasted food which would make a huge dent in the number of animals for food.
How do you know an animal abuser is in the room? Don’t worry, they either won’t shut up about bacon, or they’ll make the same bland anti-vegan jokes that were old 20+ years ago.
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These kinds of jokes are only funny if there is a kernel of truth to them. But no one talks about bacon unpromted.
But no one talks about bacon unpromted.
Kevin’s Wife does. His agent too.
Speaking of, did you know that my Bacon Number is 3?
I was in a movie with Henning Mikkelsen > the Dad of Mads Mikkelsen > in King Arthur with Ray Stevenson > in Jayne Mansfield’s Car with Kevin Bacon.
Edit: fixed bizarre autocorrect of “Kevin” to “Levon” 😄
I consume the web in 4 languages. Even BEFORE going vegan I saw unprompted meat comments on literally any video/recepie, in those 4 languages, that didn’t have meat on it from vegan/healthy creators. For years. I can bet you 69k tons of my own spit you will find similar comments yourself if you look out for them rn.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure these people are trolls.
But have you every actually seen anyone in real life just randomly talk to you about bacon or meat as a dietary choice out of the blue? I haven’t.
I think the key difference is that there is hardly anyone that sees eating meat as definining trait of their personality or some moral position. It’s just food and not something you center your life around. That’s very different for a good portion of vegans.
Even the people who center their life around food don’t talk about it unprompted.
That’s definitely untrue. Carnists never shut up about bacon.
And are these carnists in the room with us right now?
Bacon.
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You’re fighting the good fight, don’t worry about the pushback. If you have a choice, regular meat-eating in Western society is one of the most selfish, deluded things a person can do and future generations (if we even make it that far) will look back on those people, myself included, the same way we look at antivaxxers.
Guess I’ll consume some more meat while I can then
Genuine question: how do you see this response as different than rednecks in lifted trucks saying things like “guess I’ll roll more coal for every Prius I see”?
Well I ofcourse wont be increasing how much I eat just because of some very vocal random vegans. Just wanted to write an equally belligerent message.
You do realize these are two separate groups of mods for each sub right?
There is no monolithic “Lemmy Mods” or even “Lemmy Admins”.
If a topic keeps coming up no matter how much you try to censor it, consider that it’s not going away. Some changes are long overdue.
With a topic so white hot that it can’t be ignored you should consider starting @VeganMemes
I don’t like the fact that vegans are always pushed into forming echochambers. Everybody else needs to take a hard look and recognize that maybe not abusing animals isn’t so radical after all.
Lmao Vegans can’t even stand being in a community with other Vegans.
I dont like the fact that I don’t post anything about my balanced diet but vegans always have to virtue signal their “better ways”
There is no shortage of resources to help a person transition.
Yeah see this right here, nobody is looking for your advice on how to go vegan because we don’t care about your diet and you shouldn’t flame people about their’s.
You were banned for being a tool, not being vegan. Get it straight.
I agree with you. However for future reference: veganism ≠ plant based diet. It’s more nuanced than that. Not all vegans stick to plant based food and not all plant based people are vegans. Hence, diet is not the main attribute of veganism.
A more educated way of being dismissive is I don’t care about your morals or philosophy or ethics or lifestyle or worldview or principles.
Something y’all need to realise is that commenting “Abusing animals is literally H*tler and you should be publicly executed for eating a chickenburger” is not going to turn someone vegan. Go look for smarter ways, god damn it.
And something y’all need to realise that 90% of vegans don’t think like that.
Read OP’s comments. OP does think like that which is exactly the problem.
I come here for the memes, not to be berated for being an “animal abuser”. Memes are supposed to be lighthearted.
I have no problem with vegans. I have problems with militant vegans like OP. Just like I have a problem with anyone trying to radically shove their beliefs down my throat, no matter what topic it might involve.
I imagine that 90% aren’t getting their memes deleted.
I’ve never understood why vegans, the ones the vast majority agree are doing something at least good (even if you don’t understand it’s a moral obligation), are the ones that have to cater to the genocidal masses.
Stop and think for a second, imagine you live in a wild, wild world where the vegan position is actually correct. Imagine that you’re a vegan, and those around you are actually supporting an unjustified animal holocaust. Then think about how your critique of vegans comes off. It’s the genocidal maniacs complaining about how they’re treated unfairly on the internet because sometimes someone attacks their delicate sensibilities.
It’s not my responsibility to engage with you in such a way that makes you a better person. Your own failings are your own, and my failings are my own. My failings are I sometimes make someone on the internet a bit sad, and yours are participating in a market demanding tens of billions of animal deaths every year, a quantitative level of suffering we’ve never seen before.
Weak argument while standing on your subjective high ground, morality is a compass. Forcing people to follow your values is in most peoples view is immoral. Veganism is cult trying to shame people and scream at them for being wrong. No different than a religion trying to force their morals on you. Also trying to force people to a specific diet is wrong, that is not taking into account individuals health.
I didn’t force anyone to follow anything, but the state does and you view that as a good thing. It should be illegal to abuse and kill dogs & cats, we can agree on that obvious truth. Your inability to see how that translates to pigs/cows/chickens is just irrationality/stupidity, nothing else.
I’ve had a ton of conversations on the nature of normative truths. Rehashing it over and over again with pseudo-expressivists online is annoying, mostly because you all have actually no background in philosophy, so it’s like talking to a bunch of philosophy 101 students who have never given this more than a cursory thought.
You should look into the basis of knowledge, study a bit of epistemology. You’ll find the foundations for all truths, normative or descriptive, are quite similar. They’re all fundamentally based in axioms.
Gibberish, complete incoherent gibberish. Still trying to force your morality on others by belittling them. Udder nonsense from an extremist.
I understand this response, it must be emotionally hard to be challenged in such a concrete and decisive way, with no rational response available to you. I see this most commonly from carnists and religious people. In politics people don’t tend to literally fall into “LALALALA” and plugging their ears like you have, but certain social conditioning (namely church and other forms of normalized structural violence) cause people to go into a defensive panic.
Good luck on learning anything in your life, honestly.
I agree with many of the sentiments of vegans. However living in a city filled with militant vegans has turned me off supporting them, that is an emotional response based on my lived experience. All the gibberish you spouted can go right back at you as your diatribe shows your own bias as well. So keep claiming superiority it won’t sway people with all your superior knowledge. If you know so much try a tactic that is more supportive instead of belittling people.
Just stop and think for a second. We’re talking about posting in meme communities. Meme communities are for lighthearted jokes, not serious discussions and berating people.
I think Christianity does a lot of harm to the world. But posting anti-Christian memes in a generic meme community is in incredibly poor taste, no matter how valid I feel about my views.
Dark humor is a real thing, and it’s fine and even cathartic for a lot of people. Joking about fascists, genocide-enablers, etc. is something some people find in poor taste, while others find it cathartic. Neither is wrong.
I can get behind being vegan, but something I can’t get behind is people annoying the crap out of others for not being vegan. Leaves a bad taste for the whole vegan community
Yeah, causing other beings suffering is a jerk thing to do.
Well the animals can’t ask you to stop abusing them themselves so someone has to speak up
Where’s the shirt from that you are wearing? Who built the device you are using to post here?
Where did the aluminum that’s used in your bike come from? Who dug it up?
Why aren’t you speaking for those people as well? Are you fine with having those clothes and the neat devices? If so,what makes those workers less worthy of “speaking up” than say dairy cows?
Thing is: there is so much abuse and exploitation going around on this world, one person cannot go against all of it, sadly. Everyone will have a different focus which sort of abuse they go against. Be it child abuse, worker exploitation, what have you.
You can blame people for not trying to better the world at all, but reserving the right to determine which wrong deserves the most attention and judging people for not following you is arrogant.
Whataboutism.
No, im not saying you shouldn’t care about animals or that the matter of suffering animals is a trivial one because other things. That would be whataboutism. I’m saying that no one can care about all the suffering in the world at once. So you can’t blame people if they care about a suffering that’s not top priority to you and vice versa.
I used the other things I listed as examples to demonstrate that a vegan might not care as much about other things that are bad as well. Which is fine. As I said: the only people we should really annoy are those who are doing nothing at all to better the pain and suffering in this world.
Well that sounds like an appeal to futility while going vegan is so much simpler than eg stopping suffering in Gaza or Ukraine. It’s just choosing the plant milk that’s probably even in the same supermarket isle that you are in anyway. And after the initial effort of changing your habit you work on any other injustice you’re worried about
They threaded the needle on it, but they came back around to a point about the subject in the end.
I remember reading about why greenhouse gas emissions are such a hot topic in environmentalism. The author showed how a lot of the other important environmental degredations we need to fix all interrelate right back to ghgs. Tackling emissions is a nexus problem - solving it simultaneously solves a lot of other environmental problems.
Veganism is similar. In the first place, we are never going to meet climate goals without also becoming significantly more plant-centric, since the animal ag industry is one of the single largest climate change contributors (in addition to their other environmental harms like fecal pollution and deforestation).
https://www.surgeactivism.org/aveganworld
Going vegan also happens to be a form of fascist resistance, as the animal ag industry is one of the largest funders of conservative groups (including Democrats).
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?cycle=2024&ind=G2300
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?cycle=2024&ind=A04
Going vegan is likely also one of the best choices you can make for your own health, particularly if you go the whole-food plant-based route.
https://www.redpenreviews.org/reviews/proof-is-in-the-plants/
Going vegan as a society is probably the only response that has any hope of averting an h5n1 pandemic - which could wipe out as much as half of the human population when it occurs.
https://www.surgeactivism.org/notifbutwhenbirdflu
And if worker rights and worker exploitation matters to you, then you should know that animal ag is one of the worst offenders.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sWyK389BJoI&t=915s
Going vegan solves many problems, and it’s an issue that can’t be handwaived with the line “but corporations produce 70%” — sorry. No magically ideal government is ever going to get 99% of the population to go vegan. It’s cultural, and that means individual action matters. If even one person adopts a vegan lifestyle, it’s estimated that as many as 200 fewer animals will be slaughtered per year.
Like it or not, we all have a responsibility to stop animal abuse. Doing so just so happens to help eliminate or at least alleviate a lot of other pressing problems as well.
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https://m.piped.video/watch?v=sWyK389BJoI&t=915s
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What leaves a bad taste for the vegan community is when a vegan tries to coddle carnists because they’re afraid of not fitting in. Animal abuse is shameful, and people should be confronted and shamed for their abuses.
I get what you’re saying, but the reality is if you are trying to do good, it doesn’t matter how “right” you are if you are a dick about it.
Take Doctor Ignaz Semmelweis, for example. He worked hard and found a way to dramatically reduce deaths of women in childbirth (and tons of others besides) by washing hands after autopsies. Instead of trying to convince other doctors and influence the medical culture, he confronted and shamed other doctors, even to the point the doctors who he had gotten to start washing their hands stopped. Could he have caught more flies with honey than vinegar? Probably. But he was right, so what did it matter the method he used?
What mattered is hand-washing didn’t get adopted. But I’m sure being right offered him some comfort when he was dying of sepsis in a mental asylum. Not to mention the women who died of infection.
The point is, do you want to Be Right, or do you want to do good? Because all this makes it sound like you want to Be Right.
Have you considered maybe your “participation” is just insufferable even if it weren’t blatantly bad faith?
Uh oh, you don’t agree with something on the Internet, better delete it
Yeah, bad faith participation is awesome if you have an excuse.
Ohh “Everything I don’t agree with is bad faith,” the sequel to the original, nice.
I do appreciate how they built on the narrative but tried to keep it interesting
What’s with the vegan hate? Leave that shit at Reddit.
Nobody really hates vegans specifically, idgaf what you eat. But when they go holier-than-thou about my choice of calories I’m gonna block.
Mr. Militant is an obvious troll account and shouldn’t be taken seriously
Even when you’re right it’s kind of on you to present your message in a way people will be receptive to
If someone is being a bigot, should they not be shamed for it? Why should I feel like I have to tip-toe around animal abusers? You’re the one doing the wrong thing. Would you adopt a vegan lifestyle if I presented my message in the way you approved of?
I’m already a vegetarian, but yeah, I think you can definitely have a shot at converting people if you appeal to their values and don’t attack them personally. I have a buddy who converted after watching a documentary because he’s an enviromentalist and the documentary talked about the environmental harm that comes from the livestock industry.
Baby steps, maybe just start by giving peope some easy and delicious vegetarian meals. I’m not even vegetarian but around 30 percent of my meals are vegetarian. Granted, I’m Mexican and we have a lot of really good vegetarian meals but still.
It seems like you want people to examine their long held beliefs and customs, adopt your view that they are harmful and unethical, and change their behavior to match yours. A change that may have specific hurdles unknown to you for every individual.
Humans, being social animals, don’t typically react with reason to things that they percieve to be antagonistic. They tend to mirror hostility and are most likely to fight or disengage when facing an opponent, and cleave to the safety of the groups that accept them.
Just or not, the act of starting an interaction sets the tone. You’re completely justified in attacking villains and shaming them, but when you throw a devil costume on someone I don’t think you should be surprised when you get pitchforked.
Sometimes it’s just venting, looking at vegancirclejerk groups/forums. Not every comment from a vegan about veganism is an attempt at activism, sometimes we’re just fed up with carnist bullshit and vent. If a carnist sees it and it makes them think, cool, but that’s not always the goal.
If someone is being a bigot, should they not be shamed for it
Absolutely.
Why should I feel like I have to tip-toe around animal abusers?
Nice of you to use your own bigotry as an example to illustrate what people should be shamed for.
Would you adopt a vegan lifestyle if I presented my message in the way you approved of?
Depends: would I have to adopt the religious fundamentalist level holier than thou bigotry as part of the lifestyle? Because I actually prefer not to be an insufferable ass to those that don’t deserve it.
So, are we hoping this gets deleted as well to keep the tradition alive, or is this hopefully going to change moderation? I’m confused on how to feel about this.
I’m just going to keep posting anti animal abuse content and eventually enough people are going to do the same until it becomes too hard to ignore.
No. You’re delusional to think that “eventually” is ever going to become reality. Not tomorrow, not in your whole lifetime.
You’re not hard to ignore–actually, you’re pretty easy to ignore at proven by both groups of moderators.
It’s not hard to ignore. I ignore lots of stuff on Lemmy. There are many topics where there is no point to say what I think since people have strong opinions and won’t change their minds.
With time you will also learn that posting things on social media doesn’t change anyone’s opinion.
You come from a good place but unfortunately you can’t change what people do in their lives. Like at all. Nothing.
I think you’re forgetting that we can just block you and never see any of your posts again.
There is no ethical consumption under Capitalism, so jot that down.
Not what that meannnnnnnns someone eat this kulak
I literally almost never eat meat, i just enjoy cheese and butter, the dairy alternatives haven’t caught up to the alternative meats yet. I used to love cooking and eating steak (used to make a mean Steak Diane), but haven’t in years due to how terrible beef farming is for the environment. If I’m given free food that would go to waste without me eating it I’ll eat meat, but only if their is no veggie alternative. There is literally so much fuxking human suffering in the world to care about and mediate before we should spend all our time and energy worrying about animal suffering. If humanity doesnt even have class conciousness, how can you expect it to have the empathetic capacity to care about animal suffering, when it doesnt give a damn aboht human suffering. And yes there is no ethical consumption under Capitalism.
“No ethical consumption under capitalism” says nothing about the abstaining from consumption.
Yes so let’s continue finding the genocide of billions of sentient beings that can feel pain and don’t want to die to be ground up and turned into fucking burger.
Animals all over there earth eat each other constantly, often while the meal is still alive. Grow up.
I don’t use lions as my moral compass otherwise I would be eating toddlers.
This viewpoint is valid as long as you agree you aren’t morally or intellectually superior to a fish.
Well, actually, many fish are obligate carnivores, so they don’t have a choice, so maybe more like a rat or a bear.
Aren’t there different mods for each community? What was the meme that was deleted?
I see this confusion elsewhere. Political can mean both “ripe for ideological arguments that drown out anything else” and “relating to [US] government and political parties”
Its a venn diagram often. But I can see why some communities don’t want the same predictable “vegans are assholes”/“well meat eaters hate the planet” rehashing all the time.
Its so loud and weird I often think it’s astro turfed. I haven’t met an annoying vegan in decades. And most omnivores I know want to eat less meat. It’s a rancorous debate that seems to only exist online.
Dang, gelato sounds good to be honest.
Removed by mod
Got you tagged as asshole now.
Not happening. Go vegan.
I’ll have you know that for the past 16 years of my life i have subsumed off of nothing but raw puppy and avacado and i can now summon lightning, fly, and I have telekinesis
