I love watching this strawman over and over.
Of course Biden is better than Trump. He should still stop supporting genocide.
As far as I know, the Oval Office doesn’t have start/stop genocide button, or control inflation lever for that matter.
If it’s not going to be Biden, then it will be someone else. Either a Republican or a Democrat.
Even someone who earlier looked promising, eg Fetterman is a staunch Israel supporter.
Because the problem is systematic. You can’t just uproot the US-Israel nexus that’s deeply entrenched in the US politics.
the Oval Office doesn’t have start/stop genocide button
True, but it DOES have the option to stop supplying bombs that they know for a fact are being used to commit that genocide.
Your “either they can push a magic button or they’re doing all they can” dichotomy isn’t clever. It shows that you’re being either disingenuous, willfully ignorant or just extremely obtuse.
Because the problem is systematic
Yes, Israel is systematically wiping out the population of Gaza and the Biden White House is using the levers of the system to help them do it. That’s not an argument for not telling them to stop.
You can’t just uproot the US-Israel nexus that’s deeply entrenched in the US politics
You can, in fact. It worked with Apartheid South Africa, which the US also kept supporting way beyond the point that most other countries stopped, and it’ll work with THIS apartheid regime too.
It has a stop paying for genocide button.
It has a stop vetoing UN resolutions button.
It has an impose sanctions button and a freeze assets button.
It has a pull their warships out button.
It has dozens of make life really uncomfortable for Israel if it doesn’t fucking stop committing genocide buttons.
But at the very least it could stop actively helping them commit genocide.
And what does that do?
Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.
These things don’t happen in a vacuum.
Biden isn’t rubbing his hands with glee and laughing maniacally.
Do you honestly think these options weren’t considered over the last six months?
And what does that do?
Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.
On the contrary. The majority of the population doesn’t approve of supporting genocide, especially Democrats and prospective Dem voters further left.
The status quo of supporting the genocide isn’t winning over anyone who would vote Republican if they stopped. It’s alienating millions of crucial voters who won’t vote at all if they DON’T stop.
We can easily agree that not voting is a bad idea that is likely to contribute to the risk of mango Mussolini winning.
Given that, we should be able to agree that it’s a bad idea to knowingly keep doing something morally and ethically reprehensible that is causing people to do just that.
And what does that do?
Makes it harder for Netanyahu to continue committing genocide.
Gives ammo to GOP and their allies to target Biden and attract fence-sitters and unaware.
We shouldn’t keep supporting genocide just because you’re scared of what the GOP might do. That’s a shitty reason for anything, and it’s disgusting cowardice in this context.
As far as I know, the Oval Office doesn’t have start/stop genocide button
I didn’t say “stop genocide”. I said “stop supporting genocide.”
Not sure where you got the implication from that he shouldn’t stop supporting genocide?
Right here on lemmy. Try saying that Biden should stop supporting genocide here on lemmy a few times. You’ll get plenty of people acting like you’re both-sidesing for Trump.
Only if you add in a splash of “so I’m not voting for him”.
No one is shouting down people for just saying Biden should stop supporting genocide.
If you say “biden should stop supporting genocide” then you’ll get “but the other guy supports genocide even harder” to shut down any discussion. If you point out that it’s unacceptable that the only two options are genocide supporters, that’s definitely when you get the “you’re both sidesing!!” talking point in another attempt to shut down discussion.
No you won’t.
If he doesn’t change his position by Election Day, will that prevent you from voting for him?
Wouldn’t that be single-issue voting that would ultimately favor the Orange Menace?
I don’t understand why this keeps resurfacing on Lemmy like there’s a choice. Like, what’s the point of asking people this?
The point is to avoid addressing the reasonable concern. If you say you would not vote for Biden then the conversation becomes about your poor tactics rather than the current president aiding a genocide.
To convince people to not vote or vote third party, so that fascism can get stronger. It will totally work out this time, guys, promise.
Accelerationism is a hell of a drug.
Brace yourselves, hexbears wearing .world accounts are coming
Hate to break it to you, but not all leftist are on hexbear.
I moved from Reddit right into a .world account with leftist views. I didn’t even know what a hexbear was.
I never heard of a hexbear before lemmy, and frankly, I don’t understand them. They don’t really seem to support any thing, they just actively don’t support things. They’re just negative about everything and basically, just annoying. They’re not on any political spectrum I understand
I didn’t understand them either, at first. The best way I can describe them is genuine, honest people who are passionate about leftist ideas of all kinds, that got caught in their own little socialism shitpost bubble for a time, and have now emerged. Again alive to the world of federated forums, they are either changing minds or pissing people off because they don’t pull their punches, and will argue for extreme action. They do this because they feel there’s no reason to play fair in a system so rigged against the masses.
I, for one, am glad my instance stayed federated with them.
They’re essentially a Chapo Trap House fanbase whose main political discourse is antagonizing liberals. Outside of their instance they are probably being sarcastic, trolling, or flaming some generically lib take.
Naturally they’re hated by libs and many a story and mythology has been spun about them as the boogeyman.
So: they’re intentional assholes on the internet, and people resoundly find themselves shocked and surprised by that.
Saying somebody is from “hexbear” or a “tankie” is the new “communist” of American Liberals, deployed just like “communist” was in the old days when the chief of whatever political tribe they support does something which is pretty much Fascism and they can’t actually argue or justify it away.
I supposed that because of their position in politics is so much to the right and so far from the center, than American “moderates”/liberals invariably just see one big blob to their left mixing everything up to and including all the variants of Communism.
That said, this case is really special as even Center-Right people are against supporting the Nueu Holocaust being committed by Israel: one needs to be so far to the right to the point of being Nazi-adjacent to support this or those that support it.
“Guys, these hexbear users and tankies people are talking about seem to be obnoxious, reactionary, tribalistic assholes that unironically support oppressive regimes. Clearly people hating them is The Red Scare 2.0”
It’s the third Red Scare.
Stay scared, then 😭
Are you saying the Red Scares didn’t happen? Or, that you approve of political repression?
It’s insane that anyone is doing the work of defending either. We deserve significantly better.
This is the thing I can’t believe 100% of the left isn’t screaming from the rooftops. Yes, we’ll all vote for Biden, but we’re going to have to live with the fact that we knowingly voted for a genocide supporter for the rest of our lives. Sure, we voted for the lesser genocide supporter, but that really shouldn’t matter to our own sense of disgust at ourselves.
Innocent people are dying, and my vote for the guy supplying the weapons that kill them will be the most shameful moment of my life. At least, I hope it will - I don’t have much faith at this point that I won’t be forced to do something even worse in 4 years. And 4 years after that. And 4 years after that…
I was gonna call out the “grammar” one, since a person’s grammar really isn’t all that big a deal… Then I remembered reading one of his tweets a few days ago. It was somewhere around 200 words, all caps, and zero punctuation.
I can’t. I can’t do four more years of this guy’s fucking tweets. Guys. Please.
Someone pointed out that him Ying his Hs (yuuuuuuge) is apparently a current linguistic trend in American English, and I about died of a heart attack
I normally am a hard descriptivist but oh sweet God no not more people talking like him!
Just going to preface this by saying yes please vote for Biden. If nothing else he is not openly fascist and he will not himself actively work to forward queer genocide and the removal of women’s rights. Please vote for him. If you’re not going to take any measures to change this system and have resigned yourself to existing within it, do one good thing for women and minorities.
If you think it’s fine for a totalitarian fascist state to become established and to mass murder queer people, don’t even fucking bother responding to me. If you’re saying “don’t vote and also don’t revolutionize. Just let trans people and women fucking die” then fuck off. You’re not even worth engaging with. If fascism takes over and my friends, my family, my loved ones and my community are mass murdered I’ll remember how you watched it happen and did literally nothing. Our blood will be on your hands.
I’m not engaging further in this thread.
It’s amazing how passive and tolerant the working class has become of the state. If half the energy that was devoted to arguing about why the system sucks but can’t be changed was instead put into organizing and committing to revolutionary action… Actual real-world change might have already happened.
Like, what’s the line for people? They took away women’s bodily autonomy. What about if they took away women’s right to work? What if they did away with the 40-hour work week? What if they made it so only land owning whites could vote again? Like, where is the line that people will respond by actually trying to change the system?
“The system is broken, but I’m not here to talk about why we should materially do anything to change that” like what kind of argument is that? Are you just going to watch as fascism literally takes over and then try and revolutionize? If Trump wins, are you then going to try and change the system? After the guy who’s definitely a-ok using the military on civilians takes over?
Is this just what it’s going to be forever? Forever arguing for the lesser of two evils, the person who will still cause human suffering but not as much as the other guy? Why are so many people seemingly resigned to this status quo? “It sucks but here we are,” like what?? Even when revolutionary thought is put forward, people say that it would never work, as though no revolution in history has ever worked or achieved any of its aims. Which is just wrong. Neo liberal propaganda has got yall so bad that you genuinely believe that Western capitalist democracy is the only possible way for society to exist and that any and all attempts to change it are impossible.
Biden literally signed into law a resolution that took away the ability of railworkers to strike. This is one of the most anti-union and anti-worker moves from the legislative and executive branches I have ever seen in my entire life.
My choice is between that disgusting sack of shit, and an even worse more putrified fascist disgusting sack of shit scumbag pondscum asshole.
I will not be voting for either, and instead will be selecting the candidate available to me on the ticket most closely matching my priorities and convictions. Either way, the electoral college will look at my vote and immediately trash can it to put the true vote to one of these bought and paid for pricks. Happy fucking democracy, what a goddamn joke.
I don’t like Biden either, he’s done things that offend me too. But it doesn’t matter. Assuming Biden or Trump will win the general, then the only rational move is to pick one of them. Your vote can only make the difference between 1st and 2nd. You can’t make the 3rd place candidate jump to first, and you certainly can’t cause the winner to be nobody.
If you wanna vote for a candidate who matches your priorities and convictions, the time for that is the primary stage. The general is too late for that. In fact, if Trump wins that’ll make it even harder for a more liberal candidate to win the next primary, because (as happened after 2016) a Trump victory will scare democratic voters into thinking they need to move to the center to stop the far-right.
I know, American democracy is a big disgusting knot that makes you do things that feel dirty. But just pretend it’s a game, because that’s what it is. If you wanna win in the end, that means on each turn you move towards the least bad outcome.
If you wanna vote for a candidate who matches your priorities and convictions, the time for that is the primary stage
Incorrect.
I legitimately can’t believe y’all are still doing this. Get new material.
Only when there is better evidence that primaries are fair and relevant.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/bernie-sanders-camp-fix-was-against-clinton-n817501
This is also why a no-name junior senator from Illinois also failed to beat Clinton in the primary, right? Because the DNC decided she should win?
That strawman argument is at the level of “I voted for a pigeon why isn’t he president”.
We have email evidence in 2016 of a very popular primary candidate (Sanders) being plotted against by an organisation that is supposed to uphold democracy.
A similar occurrence happened in 2020 when Sanders was up against Biden. Stalking horse candidates were used to soak up votes which were then pledged to Biden. He had no support without those votes.
Saying that people have the option to choose a candidate at the primary stage is demonstrably false.
I don’t understand why people bother with this crap on here. It’s exhausting and pointless. Anyone that is going to vote and isn’t casting a ballot for Biden is either a MAGA idiot or has the mental acuity of an inbred toddler. They both share a lack of mental depth that is required to process anything of substance.
I think you underestimate younger voters who understandably want to take a principled stand against voting for the lesser of two evils, and haven’t yet had the experience of realizing too late that this principled stand accomplished nothing but empowering the greater of two evils.
This older voter is calling bullshit. If there has ever been a bill or law that targets specific groups of people to subjugate, it has Biden’s fingerprints in it. In most cases he wrote and sponcered the bill. Patriot Act, Crime Bill, Bankruptcy bill prohibiting student debt, DOMA, DADT, welfare reform, etc. The list is endless. He has 50 years of Congressional to show he does not represent us in government.
Condoning genocide is not the lesser evil
Yep it’s the same old bullshit from out-of-touch sub-22-year-old revolutionaries who just so happen to intersect the Venn diagram with right-wing wedge-driving astroturfers, conveniently. They tend to stay quiet for 3-4 years, do nothing, then complain loudly about how imperfect the inevitable candidate is, then threaten to do something utterly meaningless and backfiring to their own end-goals like not voting or voting 3rd-party.
Tack on another on that list: Ukraine. Trump pledged zero aid to Ukraine; Republicans are blocking it all. Not only will more blood be spilled in Palestine under Republican leadership, but quantifiable more blood will also be spilled in Ukraine. Talk about a Pyrrhic victory.
It isn’t that they’re silent for 3-4 years, it’s that libs suddenly need their support and start hounding them about their motivations.
Of course they’ll hound you about your motivations; after all:
- If you claim to care about Palestinians (along with the things on the right side of the scale, and Ukrainians)
- Yet threaten to let the guy who will do bad things to these things on a scale orders-of-magnitude worse win…
… Then you just aren’t thinking logically or with any foresight whatsoever. In fact it’s entirely self-defeating.
In the meantime go ahead and ask a Palestinian and Ukrainian who they’d prefer to have in the White House. I’ll wait.
If you claim to care about the things on the right side of the scale (and even Palestinians and Ukrainians)
I’m not even sure what this means, except that it seems to suggest that leftists care about right-leaning policies? I’ve seen a lot of loose usage of the right-left definitions lately, and it’s worth pointing out that the two geopolitical topics you specifically called out don’t exactly fit a strict ‘left-right’ political scale (having to deal with hierarchies and egalitarianism, generally). Different branches within the left political thinking have different lenses to judge international conflicts (an ML will look at those conflicts differently than an anarchist). Although we all see those conflicts differently, we all tend to agree that the US has historically never been a benevolent actor in them and we regard the US’s involvement skeptically, to say the least.
Yet threaten to let the guy who will do this on a scale orders-of-magnitude worse win…
The US political system simply does not provide egalitarian opportunities for dissent through it’s democratic process, so of course we threaten the system that is hostile to our involvement. Political dissent is the only tool available to us. It just so happens that this particular election provides quite a bit of leverage, because while the posture toward existing hierarchical structures is the same between the two parties, one party is desperately in need of support for self-preservation. Moderates have to work with us this time, and boy do they seem pissed about it.
Then you just aren’t thinking logically or with any foresight whatsoever.
Hardly, you just seem to think leftists are on ‘your side’. Liberals have always been the largest roadblock to progress, and have always been our target for agitation. We threaten the Liberal coalition by withholding support, and that gives us leverage.
In the meantime go ahead and ask a Palestinian and Ukrainian who they’d prefer to have in the White House.
LOL, Biden has been actively supplying the weaponry being used against Palestinians, and Ukraine has nearly been left to defend itself for the last year as Putin’s war machine has been slowly gaining momentum. I don’t think either group thinks of Biden fondly and you’re deluding yourself if you think they give a fuck about the US’s presidential race. I actually think they’d be rooting for the political agitators trying to get Biden to deal while he’s still in office, but I can’t speak for them (and funny that you think you’re able to yourself).
I’m not even sure what this mean
Whoa, slow down there slick. I was merely referring in context to the submission meme. Do you or do you not care about the things on the scale?
The US political system simply does not provide egalitarian opportunities for dissent through it’s democratic process, so of course we threaten the system that is hostile to our involvement.
Why of course it does! For starters, they’re called Primaries. The problem is your numbers are so tiny that your coalition of course cannot punch above its weight-class. You seem to believe you’re the only group in America who matter and don’t seem to understand the concept or caucusing or coalitions.
As a result you don’t seem to grasp that if Biden pulls too hard to “work with you,” he risks alienating more fragile, less-informed, less-educated more gullible parts of the electorate and then it’s all for nothing because now we have to deal with the significantly-worse guy and party for 4 years, and everyone including Palestinians and Ukrainians will have nobody to blame but folks such as yourself because you tried to leverage beyond your weight-class.
Hardly, you just seem to think leftists are on ‘your side’. Liberals have always been the largest roadblock to progress, and have always been our target for agitation. We threaten the Liberal coalition by withholding support, and that gives us leverage.
Considering it was those darned liberals who won pretty much every notable piece of advancement and progress in our nation’s history, I’m going to call bullshit on that. Thank a liberal for the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 in Congress. It sure wasn’t you or any tankies, now, was it?
LOL, Biden has been actively supplying the weaponry being used against Palestinians, and Ukraine has nearly been left to defend itself for the last year as Putin’s war machine has been slowly gaining momentum. I don’t think either group thinks of Biden fondly and you’re deluding yourself if they give a fuck about the US’s presidential race. I actually think they’d be rooting for the political agitators trying to get Biden to deal while he’s still in office, but I can’t speak for them (and funny that you think you’re able to yourself).
Obvious deflection aside, I’m pretty sure Ukraine recognizes the obstruction in aid is entirely on Republicans. That you seem to muddy the waters suggests even more bad-faith arguing and now leans even more heavily to right-wing wedge-driving. It’s getting a bit too obvious for me now. Just go ahead and follow through, will you buddy? Because I’ve yet to see a Palestinian or Ukrainian say they’re rooting for Trump over Biden. Good luck, though.
Pretty sure they give a big fuck about the Presidential race because in Ukraine it determines the outcome of aid, and in Palestine it determines whether they get Biden who is stepping away from Israel, versus Trump who has openly embraced steam-rolling Gaza. Quite foolish really to believe otherwise.
LMAO, I stopped reading after you said I should thank a liberal for the Civil Rights Act
If leftists were such a small demographic then our voting patterns should be of no concern to your precious coalition, dipshit. But I’ll take that as an admission that your ire at us is purely theatrical.
Oof, that one kind of hit hard then, didn’t it?
Keep preaching of pyrrhic victories from the comfort of your home as – checks notes – not a single Tankie was in Congress who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, now, did they? So yes, thank a Liberal for actually getting shit done. Don’t have much to list for winning rights for the American people now, do you…?
If leftists were such a small demographic then our voting patterns should be of no concern to your precious coalition, dipshit. But I’ll take that as an admission that your ire at us is purely theatrical.
LMAO tell me you don’t understand zero-sum without saying it. Yes, congratulations: If tankies back out they might throw the election for the true fascist and accelerate the deaths of Palestinians, Ukrainians, and cripple rights on the home front from women to trans – great job! But now, you’ve just jeopordized an even LARGER chunk of the electorate in voting against you and now you still lose because you sacrificed the larger voting-bloc for the smaller voting-bloc. Totally wise move there, buddy! Way to think that one through!
Yet who am I kidding – you seem to blame Biden for the lack of aid going to Ukraine, so there’s really no use in discussing any further.
Keep preaching of pyrrhic victories from the comfort of your home as – checks notes – not a single Tankie was in Congress who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, now, did they? So yes, thank a Liberal for actually getting shit done. Don’t have much to list for winning rights for the American people now, do you…?
I just have to jump in here to point out how utterly, completely, cataclysmically wrong you are about this. First, let’s start with the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Yes, it’s true that no, “Tankie,” was in Congress to vote for it, but attributing it’s passage to Liberals shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how the parties functioned at the time.
Economically, the party positions were mostly the same, with Republicans promoting fiscal conservatism while Democrats supported labor rights and the social safety net. However, in terms of the Civil Rights movement, the divide was centered around geography, not party; Republicans and Democrats from northern states were far more likely to support the Civil Rights movement than southern states. In fact, more Republicans voted for Civil Rights Act than Democrats (a point disingenuous Republicans will bring up without acknowledging the Southern Strategy, but that’s a separate issue), so fiscally, the Civil Rights Act was passed with more conservative than liberal support.
Second, the Civil Rights movement in general was a far-left movement that clashed with Liberal Centrists. Martin Luther King was far more aligned with Socialists and Democrat Socialists than Liberals, and was downright anti-capitalist, saying, “Capitalism has often left a gap of superfluous wealth and abject poverty…[creating] conditions permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few,” and that, "capitalism has outlived its usefulness.”
King also had no patience for moderate Liberals. In a speech in 1960, he said, “There is a pressing need for a liberalism in the North which is truly liberal…[that] rises up with righteous indignation when a Negro is lynched in Mississippi but will be equally incensed when a Negro is denied the right to live in his neighborhood.” Even in his famous 1963 Letter from a Birmingham Jail he said:
I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will.
So, in summary, attributing the Civil Rights Act to Liberals is patently wrong. Economically, more members of Congress who voted for the Civil Rights Act would identify as conservative than liberal. Socially, the Civil Rights movement was often at odds with Liberal pragmatists who pushed for slower, more moderate action. Finally, given your comments, I’m pretty sure that if Martin Luther King were alive today, you’d think he was a Tankie.
Keep preaching of pyrrhic victories from the comfort of your home as – checks notes – not a single Tankie was in Congress who voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, now, did they?
lol checkmate, tankie
Yes, congratulations: If tankies back out they might throw the election for the true fascist
I will gladly accept these congratulations on behalf of all tankies
Gawd. Do we have to get one of these braindead posts every damn day? You think it’s convincing anyone?
Biden’s concerns aren’t people choosing Trump. Those voters are fixed and committed. Biden has to worry about Democratic voters getting so frustrated with the system that they check out. These posts are practically (if not actually) designed to do exactly that.
Democrats listen up! Bitching at voters is not an effective campaign strategy! Learn something from Hillary or suffer the same fate!
It’s in hopes that those idiots realize that their failure to vote in this election of all elections makes them complicit. Just because you don’t participate in something that you could have helped stop doesn’t make you innocent.
They’re going to pay the price just as much as everyone else if Trump is reelected and if they think at all that any of the things they’re mad at Biden for won’t be done 10 fold by Trump, they’re dumber than I already know they are.
There has been no election in the last 50+ years where progressives didn’t show up en masse for the Democratic candidate. It never happened. As a reward we get this crap every single election cycle.
The voters who don’t vote for the Democrats are voters who have checked out of the process and aren’t reading this crap from establishment cucks. You aren’t going to reach them with a million stupid political memes.
Aside from a few loudmouths, progressive loyalty to the Democrats has never been at issue. By continuously harping on it like it actually is an issue, you are going to make it one. You are telling progressives that their votes are needed but their input is not. Eventually there actually will be a mass betrayal of the Democrats, and the Democrats will have earned it.
Those voters are also maybe voting for the first possibly second time so that whole being jaded shit is a poor argument. Hope they enjoy their consequences. The rest of us won’t.
Do not vote for Joe Biden. You do not have to pick between two parties whose platforms are genocide. Vote third party in the national and don’t support the genocide.
You’re speaking to an audience of, optimistically, 500,000 people on a relatively obscure platform that is by proportion less American than most other social media platforms this size.
If literally everyone who could vote saw you say “don’t vote Biden” and did exactly that, you’d make so little difference that you’d be actively contributing to the spoiler effect.
You know, that thing that handed Trump the 2016 election?
So fuck you. Fuck this system for being so shitty, but fuck you for advocating the only thing that would make things worse.
Clinton and her hubris handed Trump the election. Spoiler is a myth liberals create for themselves to try and vote shame. Earn our fucking votes or they can fuck off.
No dude. No independent has won the presidency since the bullmoose party 100 years ago.
Voting independent or not voting is an invitation for a republican president.
You can bloviate all you want but facts are fucking facts.
They can earn our votes or fuck off.
I guess you’re cool with another 4 years of Trump. That’s on you.
Im not cool with it, but votes are earned, not demanded for fear of a Boogeyman.
All it would take is for Biden to change his actions when it comes to Israel and Trump would lose.
Instead millions are supposed to swallow their principles and vote for somebody who is openly and activelly supporting a new Holocaust.
Most Americans now think Israel’s actions are wrong and yet there is Biden sending 2000lb (that the US itself doesn’t use because of their extreme danger for civilians) to Israel.
Biden is doing the kind of thing one would expect from Putin.
this is a bad faith reading of a basic ass fucking tenant of socialist theory. democrats, party of the educated, are feigning ignorance to try and silence dissent.
I don’t see the thousands of regressive bills that have Biden’s fingerprints all over them since 70s.
Oh yes, those are Biden’s only problems. Certainly. Also that Israel stone fits on the screen so it ain’t big enough
Remember kids, if you want to aid a genocide just make sure your enemy is an even bigger piece of shit than you are. No consequences! Morality? Never heard of her.
An enemy that will aid a genocide with even more enthusiasm and possibly help Russia start another one.
Yeah so ship those arms to the genocidal state! Feel your heart swell with pride as they count the dead children blown to pieces with bombs made in the US of A. Thank God it wasn’t Trump that sent them. That would be really awful
Thank God it wasn’t Trump that sent them
That’s true. Cause in addition to shipping arms, Trump and his cronies would also be trying to make life hell for women, LGBT community, and other minorities, and who the fuck knows what else.
Actually we do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
You can’t see the forest for trees.
Stop hyperventilating. Touch grass.
I can see just fine. I see the support Biden gives to mass murder and am not blinded to this by the fact that Trump would give more. I’m slightly confused why this seems so difficult for some people to see? Supporting genocide is bad - is this a controversial take now?
Stop hyperventilating. Touch grass.
Pathetic. It might help you to imagine that I’m all worked up about this but I am not. I just think supporting genocide is a bad thing. Weird how so many people seem to drop their morals when there’s an election on the horizon. And by “weird” I mean “despicable.”
Biden shouldn’t have sent them at all.
If both options have the same stance on an issue, then you can not change the issue by voting.
Meaning, it is a non-voting issue and can not be used as an argument for voting.
Absolutely. Does that mean you shouldn’t criticise and push for a change of policy? The president of the United States is aiding a genocide. That should make every single American ashamed.
But yeah bOtH sIdEs!!1!!
